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Edinburgh Tattoo flypasts to be banned??

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Old 29th Jun 2024, 18:57
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Presumably now that the pandas are gone there will be no NOTAM to avoid overflying the zoo and disrupting the panda breeding programme.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
Perhaps a reaction to this nonsense could be a suitably constructed contrail?

Something like this?
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Old 29th Jun 2024, 21:41
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It has occurred to me in the past and recently, what will the new Labour government's position be on the likes of RIAT? and other airshows? Should the same mindset which now complains about mental health being at risk from a sedate flypast over Auld Reekie, start looking around for something of tradition and which "promotes the arms industry" and presents far more robust flying for public consumption, to ban? We are currently living through an era in which nuerotic mawkishness has seized the souls of many people, this is the very thing which the liberal left love to weave their concerns around. Somebody in Edinburgh some years back joined the protest against the flypast for the Tattoo by complaining that she thought WW3 was underway. This sort of nonsense is entirely confected of course, I believe the modern description is gaslighting!

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Old 29th Jun 2024, 22:20
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
The sailors have a ball.


Further to DR's post here's more about the history about ball being dropped from theNelson Monument at 1300Z daily, a practice which preceded the One O'Clock Gun.

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Old 29th Jun 2024, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Union Jack
Further to DR's post here's more about the history about ball being dropped from theNelson Monument at 1300Z daily, a practice which preceded the One O'Clock Gun.

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One assumes it was Nelson's one ball.
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Old 29th Jun 2024, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash
Ow about banning the 42 gun salute for Trooping the Colour then . ..
Or the occasional 6" from HMS Belfast that is more of a surprise to the tourists
Better still would have been a twelve gun six inch salvo such as was last fired by BELFAST in October 1968!

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Old 30th Jun 2024, 05:59
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ninja, many thanks for the link, they thought of absolutely everything back in 1861. Raised the question as I was thinking of the navigator setting the ships chronometer, would not see the ball drop on a misty day.
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 06:45
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Originally Posted by Union Jack
Further to DR's post here's more about the history about ball being dropped from the Nelson Monument at 1300Z daily, a practice which preceded the One O'Clock Gun
Both the ball and the gun operate at 1300 local time.
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 09:25
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Both the ball and the gun operate at 1300 local time.
@twas in the Adriatic, the water was so static, the rise and fall of **** and ball was purely automatic.

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So as an OOW on a foggy day in, say, Victoria Dock, I would simply hack 11 seconds before I heard the gun. Another skill we have lost in the digital age.
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Lived South of Edinburgh many years ago right in the heart of the Low Flying Zone. Very close to a very obvious IP for the Otterburn ranges.
The locals used to rage at the low flying wheras in my case, I loved it. Especially during Mallet Blow Exercises.
One of the lousiest reasons why they wanted it banned, was due to the fear that a low flyer could crash into the then recently constructed Torness Nuke.
Some time later, a plan was submitted to construct a windfarm on the high ground just South of Edinburgh.
The complaint then was that it might endanger the low flying aircraft and restrict their training !!

Same old Same old !!
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 13:25
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So as an OOW on a foggy day in, say, Victoria Dock, I would simply hack 11 seconds before I heard the gun. Another skill we have lost in the digital age.
Before??????????
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 14:32
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Originally Posted by El Grifo
Lived South of Edinburgh many years ago right in the heart of the Low Flying Zone. Very close to a very obvious IP for the Otterburn ranges.
The locals used to rage at the low flying wheras in my case, I loved it. Especially during Mallet Blow Exercises.
One of the lousiest reasons why they wanted it banned, was due to the fear that a low flyer could crash into the then recently constructed Torness Nuke.
One of the original design criteria for Torness NPS (and its sister station Heysham II) was actually survivability of a high speed impact from a F-4 Phantom.

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Old 30th Jun 2024, 14:38
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
One of the original design criteria for Torness NPS (and its sister station Heysham II) was actually survivability of a high speed impact from a F-4 Phantom.
Wow ! That is a surprise !
Was tha criteria definitely met .

Seen the size of the hole an F111 made 16 or so miles away near Lauder !
Bigger Airframe obvs !
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 15:11
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Originally Posted by El Grifo
Wow ! That is a surprise !
Was tha criteria definitely met .
Yes it was.
Was designed for a B747 impact as well.
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 15:29
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
Yes it was.
Was designed for a B747 impact as well.
Now you are taking the Pizza :-)
Surely !!
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 15:32
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Specially reinforced concrete versus a soft aluminium tube designed to withstand internal, not external pressure? The engines would be the things to worry about if anything.
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 15:45
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Before??????????
Exactly.

Alternatively; when I hear the bang I start a stopwatch. At 49 seconds I hack my chronometer on 13.01.

As a further alternative, since no ships are within under one second anyway, why don't they fire the gun at 12.59, and issue a map with concentric circles indicating the interval after the gun by which to delay one's hack.
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 15:58
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Originally Posted by El Grifo
Now you are taking the Pizza :-)
Surely !!
F-4 impact was more onerous in terms of point of impact energy IIRC, on the reactor building, but 747 had a greater effect on surrounding station infrastructure because of fire damage from fuel load.....but its 40+ years ago, so my memory isn't quite what it was in terms of the exact details.....as I was only a trainee at the time, but I do remember the discussions about it.
Ironically, one of the original structural designer Engineer's at the time, his son had just joined the RAF Regiment, and a few years later sailed south with the Task Force with the Rapier units.
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Old 30th Jun 2024, 16:03
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
Exactly.

Alternatively; when I hear the bang I start a stopwatch. At 49 seconds I hack my chronometer on 13.01.

As a further alternative, since no ships are within under one second anyway, why don't they fire the gun at 12.59, and issue a map with concentric circles indicating the interval after the gun by which to delay one's hack.
Thank you but I don't understand how someone could know when it is eleven sconds before hearing something. I only had one Warsteiner with Sunday lunch.
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