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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 08:23
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He has not been convicted - yet. He has been dismissed. Hopefully, a criminal trial will follow, at which he may be convicted.
Victimless? Certainly not, and I am one of the victims, since my Northamptonshire council tax has been paying him. I demand compensation.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 08:31
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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
We’re not in that territory.
but that does not mean we can’t still discuss this case and hope that this chancer gets his just deserts.
No issue with that, just a sense of proportion.
I suspect most child killers and mass murderers are weak, arrogant and stupid people rather like him.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
True but its also not as serious as murder, assault etc etc
By taking on a role to which he was evidently unsuited he may very well have blocked someone far better than himself from assuming the serious responsibility of running a police force. So, his decisions, whilst in position, have probably led to undetected and unpunished crime which would otherwise have been detected, resolved and convicted leading to the probability of greater deterrrence and prevention of further crimes. So yes, it is very serious and more than just a weakness of character.
It's not dissimilar from electing a leader because you like what he says without looking at what he does and later discovering that he was a liar, cheat and a narcissistic bully. And in choosing them you have denied the possibility of a statesman arising.

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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 09:07
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Just a Question

If he is taken to court on fraud or other charges, AND convicted will his assets be seized under the proceeds of crime procedures?
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 09:16
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Originally Posted by beardy
By taking on a role to which he was evidently unsuited he may very well have blocked someone far better than himself from assuming the serious responsibility of running a police force. So, his decisions, whilst in position, have probably led to undetected and unpunished crime which would otherwise have been detected, resolved and convicted leading to the probability of greater deterrrence and prevention of further crimes. So yes, it is very serious and more than just a weakness of character.
That assumes that it was all planned from the start. It is just as likely that he achieved that position through just being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people. We’ve all met them. As others have said, the system that put him there can be blamed just as much. It should have discarded such a flawed candidate.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
There is now the whiff of a lynch mob about this thread.
The man has rightly been caught and convicted. Through his behaviour he has lost his job and reputation and his life is ruined. He is not the first inadequate man to go down this path and he won't be the last, but he has not robbed, stabbed or murdered anyone.
The law will now take its course and it seems pretty unedifying to be baying for more blood.
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This man has been lying and cheating for three decades and I would make a significant bet that it wasn't resstricted to his c.v. He has usurped jobs that should have gone to other more honest and better ( hopefully ) candidates. This type of character won't have a ruined life, as he will be able to convince himself that others " had it in for him" . He should not be allowed to profit from his ill-gotten gains ( BIG pension ) any more than a convicted thief should be allowed to keep the proceeds of crime.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 10:29
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There will always be people like former CC Adderley around..What I would like to see more emphasis of, is a robust vetting and interview system to find these people before they even get into the police, any any other job where public honesty and trust are paramount.
Then Mr Adderley would just be the boring guy at the end of the bar, telling his "war stories" to anyone who would listen...and no more than that..
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
That assumes that it was all planned from the start. It is just as likely that he achieved that position through just being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people. We’ve all met them. As others have said, the system that put him there can be blamed just as much. It should have discarded such a flawed candidate.
He deliberately set out to mislead. The 'system' is guilty of inadequate oversight, a sin of omission rather than his sin of commission. One is active, deliberate the other is passive and lazy. They are not equivalent.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 11:36
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Originally Posted by beardy
He deliberately set out to mislead. The 'system' is guilty of inadequate oversight, a sin of omission rather than his sin of commission. One is active, deliberate the other is passive and lazy. They are not equivalent.
Did he though? I think it's more likely that he began with minor exaggerations about his achievements out of vanity and found that he had to tell one lie after another to maintain the fiction and climb the promotion ladder. Having achieved high rank and the kudos that went with it he was stuck with the lies even though he no longer needed them.
I am in no way defending what he did, but the reason this thread has attracted so much attention here is because initially there was justifiable anger about his wearing medals that he was not entitled to. The other revelations have all flowed from that. As I have suggested before, military connections can make people do weird things. If he had not worn that medal would any of this have come out? Maybe not - really it was not crime or greed that destroyed him but worthless vanity. How many times have we read about otherwise well-respected service personnel over-egging their actual achievements or engaging in distasteful behaviour, not to mention out-and-out Walts whose military exploits are imaginary but who can gather enough information online to sound superficially credible?
Why would anyone do that - risk everything over a lie? But they do. I guess it's because wearing (or claiming to have worn) a military uniform or taking part in some famous action generates a respect that an inadequate person may be incapable of earning any other way. Maybe there's a rarity value too, because there are now far fewer military personnel around than in the past. Up to the 1980's just about every household would have contained people who had served and/or were currently serving. Now it is unusual - a talking point that sets you apart from most others. Ironically, those with genuine military service behind them are the ones who rarely talk about it outside their own circle.
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Now that he's rightfully out on his ear (and presumably feeling lower than an ant's gonads) maybe all the media attention will fade away and he can be left alone. We've all heard of wrongdoers being driven to suicide after public shamings and, no matter how contemptible his behaviour was, perhaps the hounding should stop. It's a massive stigma for both him and his family to carry now.


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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 14:04
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Now that he's rightfully out on his ear (and presumably feeling lower than an ant's gonads) maybe all the media attention will fade away and he can be left alone. We've all heard of wrongdoers being driven to suicide after public shamings and, no matter how contemptible his behaviour was, perhaps the hounding should stop. It's a massive stigma for both him and his family to carry now.
I doubt if the ex Chief Constable / ex leading seaman reads such as PPRUNE. If he happens to, he will note that I place a substantial degree of blame on the jobsworths who eased him up the greasy pole. Recent events and Enquiries have exposed generations of incompetents and villains reaching high rank or position. A cursory look suggests that lending them a bicycle might be risky.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 15:20
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I for one am not baying for blood, or any other emotive retribution.
What disgusts me and others is the failure of the system, the failure of due process and diligence, which allows him and others to rise so high in public service. Were it not for a free press [and indeed much-maligned social media] the manifold misconduct or incompetence of such people as Post Office and NHS chiefs would allow such parasites to continue to ride the gravy train and keep their snouts in the trough. Moral decadence is rampant in what was once our green and pleasant land.
I've written a lot about this man and can confirm there is far far worse still to come. From my own personal experience he has played a part in covering up rapes, appointed and promoted people to run departments that covered up more crime than they solved. Just look into Jonathan Nunn as the wife beating leader of the council where the local PVP unit covered up his crimes and shared platforms with him at domestic violence events.

The same department also have staff engaged in very questionable social media activity showing how they view rape as funny, while working with rape victims. These all happened and were supported by Adderley, with them doing favours for him in return. The lies about his service are what have gotten him sacked, but feed into his overall character of lying to get whatever he wanted and protect himself, none of which was in the interest of serving and protecting the people of the area he policed.

How many criminal cases that he was involved in will be granted appeals and cost millions to unpick, how many people has he helped wrongly put away and how many people's lives has he ruined through sackings to cover up his own lies. This fraud has left a trail of destruction behind him and deserves no sympathy just because the heat is turned up on him now.
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 07:11
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
He is not the first inadequate man to go down this path and he won't be the last, but he has not robbed, ...
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I cannot get away from the thought that he clearly benefitted financially - very greatly - by this deliberate deception, by way of significantly better salary, benefits, pension, and over a considerable period of time. And his salary was funded directly from the 'public purse', in other words My money, YOUR money, EVERYBODY's money. All his lavish lifestyle was paid for by US, directly as a result of his greed - and vanity most likely.

We all have a right to feel 'robbed' by pretenders like him. Others wear medals they're not entitled to wear simply to make themselves look and feel better. Adderley very clearly and deliberately used his fraud and deception for his own financial gain, at our expense.
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 07:49
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I cannot get away from the thought that he clearly benefitted financially - very greatly - by this deliberate deception, by way of significantly better salary, benefits, pension, and over a considerable period of time. And his salary was funded directly from the 'public purse', in other words My money, YOUR money, EVERYBODY's money. All his lavish lifestyle was paid for by US, directly as a result of his greed - and vanity most likely.
We all have a right to feel 'robbed' by pretenders like him. Others wear medals they're not entitled to wear simply to make themselves look and feel better. Adderley very clearly and deliberately used his fraud and deception for his own financial gain, at our expense.
Again, I don't disagree with that opinion at all, I'm just doubtful whether it was ever a deliberate plan. It is at least conceivable that it started with inventing fictitious achievements because unlike his peers he had no real ones to talk about in the bar. With no reason to disbelieve him, his acquaintances will have tended to accept his stories at face value and he became what he craved - a respected and popular member of the group. That this resulted in regular promotions is depressing but not hard to understand, and such a man is not going to suddenly admit he lied, turn the promotions down and say he does not deserve them. The salary, power, pension and all the other privileges of his rank were all handed to him on a plate. If anyone along the way had doubts about his true background and abilities they might have sniggered about it behind his back but it would be a bold move to openly challenge him. The world is full of examples of people who should have been stopped before they could do real harm, but went unchecked.
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How many criminal cases that he was involved in will be granted appeals and cost millions to unpick, how many people has he helped wrongly put away and how many people's lives has he ruined through sackings to cover up his own lies. This fraud has left a trail of destruction behind him and deserves no sympathy just because the heat is turned up on him now.
That was my first thought on hearing the outcome - how many defence lawyers are looking at cases he gave evidence in and contemplating an appeal. Even if he didn't lie in court, and no-one has been wrongly put away, his evidence has become unreliable.

His behaviour is exactly the sort of thing that the offence of 'misconduct in public office' was brought in to punish.
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 12:00
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Worse to come indeed…
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 12:07
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Today’s posts remind me of the time a certain adjacent police force allowed an unqualified helicopter pilot (bull£&itter) to fly their air support helicopter on operational sorties.

But as always officially stated in such cases, “lessons were learned”.
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 12:53
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Surely "lessons were identified". There is a significant difference.
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 13:03
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police force allowed an unqualified helicopter pilot .
I don't remember this one. I remember Hampshire had PPL holders flying fixed wing for what would otherwise be considered commercial, but they were exploiting a loophole rather than unqualified. Is that what you meant?
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 14:20
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No, not that. I tried to link back to a previous thread here but the old problem occurred where it won’t appear.

However, if you make an online search for the words “Police, unqualified pilot, Leicester” you should find it.
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