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Beagle muttered:
"in a VC10, we make certain we know where we are at all times"
Not with a 50,000 (OS) map in one hand and the controls in the other whilst looking for a "building" that was never there in the first place you dont. I am assuming that the "offender" is either new 33 Sqn bloke or Puma OCF flying on week 1 maybe 2 of his/her course in unfamiliar countryside in a new (well actually a rather old helicopter with little in the way of useable navaids and only one radio) aeroplane. Beagles intolerance is absolute tosh.
Clearly Beagle needs an invite to occupy the LHS of a Puma and a go at naving at 50`agl to include under wires and a simulated enemy to give him a dose of reality. As anyone can Nav from flight level ridiculous.
Forgotton what it is like to be an FNG have we Beags old chap, and you a QFI as well. Thank god some people allow others to learn, which includes allowing an error to go as far as is safely possible.
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Not with a 50,000 (OS) map in one hand and the controls in the other whilst looking for a "building" that was never there in the first place you dont. I am assuming that the "offender" is either new 33 Sqn bloke or Puma OCF flying on week 1 maybe 2 of his/her course in unfamiliar countryside in a new (well actually a rather old helicopter with little in the way of useable navaids and only one radio) aeroplane. Beagles intolerance is absolute tosh.
Clearly Beagle needs an invite to occupy the LHS of a Puma and a go at naving at 50`agl to include under wires and a simulated enemy to give him a dose of reality. As anyone can Nav from flight level ridiculous.
Forgotton what it is like to be an FNG have we Beags old chap, and you a QFI as well. Thank god some people allow others to learn, which includes allowing an error to go as far as is safely possible.
T_M
Done plenty of 50-thouing without a nav or any navaids in my time, thanks. Perhaps not at 50 ft but certainly at 420 KIAS - when poor navigation can make it all go wrong much quicker........
Of course people make mistakes - but by the time they get to an OCU the magnitude of such mistakes should not be such as to cause major intrusion into a well-known Danger Area.
Or maybe it's just that we had rather more training in my day before reaching an OCU. In which case this may well be a system rather than primarily an individual fault?
Of course people make mistakes - but by the time they get to an OCU the magnitude of such mistakes should not be such as to cause major intrusion into a well-known Danger Area.
Or maybe it's just that we had rather more training in my day before reaching an OCU. In which case this may well be a system rather than primarily an individual fault?
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Beagle politely responded:
"Or maybe it's just that we had rather more training in my day before reaching an OCU. In which case this may well be a system rather than primarily an individual fault?"
This statement has hit the nail well and truly on the head. A massive ammount of flying experience and airmanship has been deleted from the flying course since 1996, which is blatently apparent even before the students get to an OCU. The driving force behind it all.............. money, now there is a surprise.
This statement has hit the nail well and truly on the head. A massive ammount of flying experience and airmanship has been deleted from the flying course since 1996, which is blatently apparent even before the students get to an OCU. The driving force behind it all.............. money, now there is a surprise.
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Mmmmnice..
You are not millitary then. Gash is refered to in the RAF as something spare, free, not being used, no longer required, not as per the OED.
Hence the phrase 'Any chance on a gash flight on your Puma mate?' Gash here being used to describe a free seat, one not being occupied by another. Not the way the aircraft is opperated.
No offence taken at your comments just hit on a very sensitinve nerve...
Any other Ppruners got any other meanings of the Word Gash??
Oh my god what have I started here!!
You are not millitary then. Gash is refered to in the RAF as something spare, free, not being used, no longer required, not as per the OED.
Hence the phrase 'Any chance on a gash flight on your Puma mate?' Gash here being used to describe a free seat, one not being occupied by another. Not the way the aircraft is opperated.
No offence taken at your comments just hit on a very sensitinve nerve...
Any other Ppruners got any other meanings of the Word Gash??
Oh my god what have I started here!!
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GASH
A widely-used word with several distinct meanings (more often than not of Naval origin):
1. Anything surplus to requirement: "You can have it - it's gash .."
2. Anyone useless: "Don't take him - he's a really gash hand .."
3. Rubbish or refuse: "*D'ye hear there - *ditch no gash .." Note - that a gash bucket is a waste bin, while a gash chute is a pipe or ramp for *ditching gash at sea. Jack also adapts the latter term on occasion for the lower end of the large bowel.
4. "Any gash talent here?" as a question posed when entering a party or dance hall is an enquiry as to whether there are any nice young ladies present who are not inextricably committed to someone else - Ho hum!
ML
1. Anything surplus to requirement: "You can have it - it's gash .."
2. Anyone useless: "Don't take him - he's a really gash hand .."
3. Rubbish or refuse: "*D'ye hear there - *ditch no gash .." Note - that a gash bucket is a waste bin, while a gash chute is a pipe or ramp for *ditching gash at sea. Jack also adapts the latter term on occasion for the lower end of the large bowel.
4. "Any gash talent here?" as a question posed when entering a party or dance hall is an enquiry as to whether there are any nice young ladies present who are not inextricably committed to someone else - Ho hum!
ML
motionlotion....
all this talk of "gash chutes" and we'll be onto "Biffins Bridge" soon (terminology once explained to me by an ex-Matelot mate)
....and then this thread will have to head off to JB
all this talk of "gash chutes" and we'll be onto "Biffins Bridge" soon (terminology once explained to me by an ex-Matelot mate)
....and then this thread will have to head off to JB
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Motionlotion and Wycombe,
Thank you for your explanations of the term Gash. Still a little perplexed since an AAC colleague once told me something about
.....foaming at the gash......
Must be something to do with the inappropriate use of fire extinguishers in a waste-paper basket, I suppose.
Neil Kay
Thank you for your explanations of the term Gash. Still a little perplexed since an AAC colleague once told me something about
.....foaming at the gash......
Must be something to do with the inappropriate use of fire extinguishers in a waste-paper basket, I suppose.
Neil Kay
