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Old 24th Apr 2024, 20:35
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And now we have a few words from that American military expert that is so full of Sh*t it spews forth from her mouth.

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Something is burning in Moscow again.

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More on the numbers of new patriot battery’s

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Who is worried now?

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Dead man not walking.

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One good thing coming out of Russia.

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It’s looking like Ukraine is trying to map out Crimean air defence’s to neutralise the air threat.

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Russia has no real need of spies any more.

Everything is out there in the press writ large, the latest SECRET weapons and cross-border movements, DECOYS, etc., and it's not even decent maskirovka.
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There is now a lot of discussion about the arrest of Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Timur Ivanov on charges of bribery.

This is the second person in the ministry after Shoigu. No matter how funny it may sound for Russia, yes. Precisely for bribes. But the detention of Timur Ivanov is a strong blow to Shoigu.

Apparently, Shoigu himself did not know about the upcoming arrest, because the day before he held a meeting where Ivanov also took part. It was Shoigu who brought Ivanov to the ministry and covered for him more than once in previous cases.

Ivanov’s arrest is in no way a fight against corruption - in Russia everyone steals as much as they can. In the Russian system, each official has a separate folder in the FSB, and when a signal comes from above that a person needs to be processed they take it off the shelf and put it into action.

A person working for the Russian government, even if he has palaces, yachts and expensive cars, actually does not possess any of this. It does not belong to him and can be taken away at any moment, and he is sent to prison. The reasons why he was removed from his post are not yet clear, but most likely it will be known later.

Artur Ivanov was not a military man, although he wore a uniform. He was involved in the construction of military and other facilities. For example, he was responsible for the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, where record amounts were stolen. He was responsible for the construction of the Patriot Park and construction in Mariupol, destroyed by the Russians.

He held the civil position of Acting State Councilor of the Russian Federation, 1st class. In the army this would correspond to a general's post. That’s why there were all these uniforms with medals.

His arrest actually indicates that a serious intra-clan struggle has begun in Putin’s system. Ivanov’s place is very profitable, because during construction there are some of the largest kickbacks. Now the struggle for this place will begin and all the contenders will now rush to compromise and snitch on each other in the fight for this place.

Putin created a system, like any dictator, where he pits everyone against each other and forces one to fight with another. His task is to ensure that no one can unite so much as to become a threat to his own power.

Whether clouds are gathering over Shoigu himself is also difficult to say now. After Prigozhin’s rebellion, Putin does not risk introducing new players, relying on old, proven and loyal people, albeit absolutely useless.

In this system, such people are actually allowed almost everything. Steal, send soldiers in batches to their deaths, but the main thing is to remain loyal. But failures at the front may force Putin to make some personnel decisions. So it’s now difficult to vouch for Shoigu’s safety.

But no matter what happens there, it’s all for the benefit of Ukraine, because the Russian system is devouring itself in this way, begins to collapse from the inside and weakens, and with it, naturally, Putin’s power.

The list of Russia's problems is only growing every day. Kadyrov* is also preparing to kick the bucket, and if the struggle for power begins in Chechnya, it will explode significantly.

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So it’s now difficult to vouch for Shoigu’s safety
And that makes him dangerous to Putin, he could make the first move against him.
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It appears an S-300 system has also been hit, there are lots of little tungsten ball holes in that one.


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An abandoned Turtle tank and the second link is a fascinating insight into building them. note the mesh around the turret / tank body interface, a weak point that UAV's take advantage off.

The second tank shown in the film clip on the road reminds me of the deathmobile from Animal House Lol



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Mig 29 V's a recon drone.

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More on the anti drone protection Russia is now deploying, even for motorbikes, see second link. Necessity is the mother of all inventions




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Video Apti Alaudinov, Kadyrov's closest ally, recently appointed to a position in the Russian defense ministry, tells Russian propagandist Skabeyeva that Russia will wage a war for the rest of the decade and intends to destroy NATO:

"Russia will win in this special military operation and on all other battlefields.

“Yes, we will have to work hard until 2029-2030, but I can assure you that the outcome of this special military operation will be that the NATO bloc will cease to exist in the format in which it exists today.

​​​​​​​“Most of those states, who today are running after America like mutts, will kneel down and swear an oath to Russia, asking to be accepted into our coalition."
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An abandoned Turtle tank and the second link is a fascinating insight into building them. note the mesh around the turret / tank body interface, a weak point that UAV's take advantage off.
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Is there anyone with tank/armour experience who would care to comment on entering the battlefield in one of these? How can it fight if the crew can see almost nothing?
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A Ukrainian ground drone at work.

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Ukraine's latest combat vehicle based on a South African design.


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Ukraine had approximately 100 ATACMS shipped prior to the latest aid package.

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Is there anyone with tank/armour experience who would care to comment on entering the battlefield in one of these? How can it fight if the crew can see almost nothing?
That may work against drones, however... I'm no tank crew, but if they can't see or use their weapons, they are pretty much a sitting duck for anti-tank crews as you can take your time aiming at the "shed" knowing that it will not be returning fire. Especially as they seem to drive around the battle field without any support from infantry.
The nets (as seen on the MT-LB) have no use against ATGM's, artillery, LAW's etc,
Same applies to the sheets of metal, might trigger the first phase of the first LAW, which then breaks it and the next to hit works as usual. If using something with more bang like Javelin or APILAS, wouldn't expect those sheets to have much of extra protection.

Apparently drones are perceived as the main threat, as mobility and visibility are sacrificed. Or, drones are the only thing the orcs think they are able to protect themselves from.
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