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Old 16th Mar 2024, 04:35
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I would like to think so too, and hope the partisans keep at it. But the Russian populace seems to be numb, insensitive in any meaningful way. The Russian populace doesn't seem to have potential intent to oppose the current regime, they seem deaf to any "political message." One can only hope for all the damage that partisans can create for the military value of that.
If a survey I read about recently is to be believed,
20% pro-war
60% agnostic, don`t give a proverbial
20% anti-war
I suggest it would take a lot of fuel and food shortages, and unfortunately it seems a lot more "200`s", for anything approaching any semblance of a "critical mass" groundswell.
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I don't think that any survey of the Russian people will yield a true indication. I'd say that a high percentage are too frightened to voice their honest opinion!

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I don't think that any survey of the Russian people will yield a true indication. I'd say that a high percentage are too frightened to voice their honest opinion!
Indeed. In a country where it's illegal to say that WW2 started in 1939 it's easy to get on the wrong side of the law.
Kremlin approved history marks the start of the 'Great Patriotic War' as being June 1941, when Hitler broke his pact with Stalin.
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They’re clocking up oil refineries and store hits.

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That does not look very comfortable.

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lol they are offering Moscow a trade for one of their villages.

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More refinery hits

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We should take in account that replacing one distillation column unit is sort of doable, but imagine Russia would need to produce 30 of them, transport, hire and assign workers, and assemble on site. Frankly, they don't have such capacity.

It seems that refineries are not properly defended and attempt to do so can overstretch Russian resources beyond breaking point, yet somebody will issue such order anyway. The next logical move would be F-16s arriving to the battlefield equipped with HARM missiles to make Russian front line PVO blind, especially when A-50s were hunted down recently too. Interesting game of chess here.

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We should take in account that replacing one distillation column unit is sort of doable,
Only if they have a spare sitting around. These are pretty much unreplaceable atm. Yes they could possibly get some made in china but its a multiple year lead time and then with sanctions means they have to hide it
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Another ship burns, this time in the Sea of Japan.

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Good on them, they can try to keep a lid on it, but Russia will never win.

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Old 16th Mar 2024, 23:28
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Remember that Forbes Ukraine article from last year that found Russia had spent $25.6 billion on compensation to families of deceased soldiers and $21 billion on compensation to the wounded.

Putin has previously signed a decree earlier in 2023 ordering the payout of $68,800 to the families of deceased and $41,300 to soldiers that are wounded. Using this we can get a glance at potential Russian casualties ASSUMING zero corruption/money laundering and that all funds allocated where properly paid out…..

According to Russian expenditures, Russian casualties in the past 18 months are as follows.
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KIA: 372,093
WIA: 507,000…

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A Russian commander captured in Belgorod.

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A Russian commander captured in Belgorod.


the quote link doesn't work, inbed seems to
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To get back to the "military aviation" topic I really wonder what "drones" are doing those precision strikes 1200 km from Ukraine.
Sounds very much like cruise missiles to me. Interestingly the topic is completely suppressed for the moment.
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To get back to the "military aviation" topic I really wonder what "drones" are doing those precision strikes 1200 km from Ukraine.
Sounds very much like cruise missiles to me. Interestingly the topic is completely suppressed for the moment.
Mainstream news channels are definitely playing down the refinery strikes, but social media is very rattled. They don't seem to have any answer except to plead with locals to dig out the AAA system in their basement and defend their local refinery...

More drones and long range weaponry to Ukraine please!
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Judging by the flyover videos from the refinery attacks I think this is the type...



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Old 17th Mar 2024, 08:50
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Judging by the flyover videos from the refinery attacks I think this is the type...


Why would a long range kamikaze drone be fitted with a fixed u/c? That makes no sense.
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Old 17th Mar 2024, 09:04
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Why would a long range kamikaze drone be fitted with a fixed u/c? That makes no sense.
Funnily enough I was thinking the same in the early hours of yesterday.
Perhaps its because they can launch them from any road or hardened surface quite close to the front giving them more range, without the need of a specialist launch vehicle.
The launch vehicle needs time to set up, load the unit, dispatch and bug out.
These drones can be assembled in a barn wheeled out and probably only need a short takeoff run with the high aspect ratio wing.
Having a droppable undercarriage would add complexity for little gain.
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We should take in account that replacing one distillation column unit is sort of doable, but imagine Russia would need to produce 30 of them, transport, hire and assign workers, and assemble on site. Frankly, they don't have such capacity.
I find that a curiously naiive statement, as are the oft-heard claims that a hit on a cracking tower has "destroyed" a refinery. While it may be pleasant to wallow in congratulatory dreamland over small UKR victories it is necessary to put these events into some sort of perspective. A large oil refinery may have up to 70 - yes - seventy - cracking columns, a smaller one perhaps 30 according to a brief internet search. So whacking one or two will be no more than a brief inconvenience, and anyone who imagines Ruzzia "doesn't have the capacity" to build enough towers to equip one single small refinery is, imho, living in dreamland. They're only big steel tubes with a bit of plumbig attached after all. Long lead-timeto replace maybe, but even so. There's nothing very technical about them and the loss of two or three out of 30 is hardly going to make a vast difference to output. OK, that just cuts 10% (ie decimates) the output of a small refinery, and half that of a large one. Big deal unless you can keep hitting them all every week for six months or more.
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