Ukraine War Thread Part 2
France 24 News posted this earlier on X (Twitter), after which it was subsequently pulled.
"French regiments are reportedly on their way to Romania, in preparation for deployment in Ukraine against the Russian army, particularly in Odessa. Among them, the 2nd Foreign Infantry Regiment of Nîmes is mentioned."
Macron appears to be in trouble:
"French regiments are reportedly on their way to Romania, in preparation for deployment in Ukraine against the Russian army, particularly in Odessa. Among them, the 2nd Foreign Infantry Regiment of Nîmes is mentioned."
Macron appears to be in trouble:
Macron warns Europe's security 'at stake' after uproar over Ukraine ground troops comment
French President Emmanuel Macron said on Thursday that the Europe's security was "at stake" in Ukraine, warning that a Russian victory against Kyiv "would reduce Europe's credibility to zero".
"The French president also said Thursday that his country stood ready to ensure that Russia does not win the war in Ukraine, urging allies not to impose limits on assistance.
"If the situation should deteriorate, we would be ready to make sure that Russia never wins that war," Macron said during an interview on French TV, warning that anybody advocating "limits" on aid to Ukraine "chooses defeat".
He said it was important for Europe not to draw red lines, which would signal weakness to the Kremlin and encourage it topush on with its invasion of Ukraine. He refused to give detail on what a deployment to Ukraine might look like.
"I have reasons not to be precise," he said. "I'm not going to give (Putin) visibility."
Macron said France would never initiate an offensive against Russia, and that Paris was not at war with Moscow, despite the fact that Russia had launched aggressive attacks against French interests in and outside France.
"Russia is an adversary," he said, declining to call it an enemy.
He also said he hoped that the time would come one day to negotiate peace with a Russian president "whoever it might be", for the first envisaging the possibility of Putin no longer being in charge in Russia.
Polarised politics
In late February, Macron caused an uproar by refusing to rule out the dispatch of Western ground troops to Ukraine. French Defence Minister Sébastien Lecornu later said that while the deployment of Western combat troops to fight in Ukraine was not on the table, a greater military presence could include mine clearance and training Ukrainian soldiers on Ukrainian soil.
In France's polarised political landscape, Russia's war against Ukraine has emerged as a major hot-button topic.
The French president has been seeking to hammer home the importance of greater support for Ukraine while trying to cast the country’s far-right Rassemblement National as an ally of the Kremlin. Members of both right-wing and left-wing opposition parties have accused the president of using the conflict to boost his centrist coalition's standing ahead of the European elections in June.
The European elections are seen as a key milestone ahead of France's next presidential election in 2027, when Le Pen is expected to mount a fourth bid for the top job and Macron cannot stand again due to term limits.
Macron planned to meet on Friday with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk in Berlin in a summit meant to show unity."
https://www.france24.com/en/france/2..._medium=social
French President Emmanuel Macron said on Thursday that the Europe's security was "at stake" in Ukraine, warning that a Russian victory against Kyiv "would reduce Europe's credibility to zero".
"The French president also said Thursday that his country stood ready to ensure that Russia does not win the war in Ukraine, urging allies not to impose limits on assistance.
"If the situation should deteriorate, we would be ready to make sure that Russia never wins that war," Macron said during an interview on French TV, warning that anybody advocating "limits" on aid to Ukraine "chooses defeat".
He said it was important for Europe not to draw red lines, which would signal weakness to the Kremlin and encourage it topush on with its invasion of Ukraine. He refused to give detail on what a deployment to Ukraine might look like.
"I have reasons not to be precise," he said. "I'm not going to give (Putin) visibility."
Macron said France would never initiate an offensive against Russia, and that Paris was not at war with Moscow, despite the fact that Russia had launched aggressive attacks against French interests in and outside France.
"Russia is an adversary," he said, declining to call it an enemy.
He also said he hoped that the time would come one day to negotiate peace with a Russian president "whoever it might be", for the first envisaging the possibility of Putin no longer being in charge in Russia.
Polarised politics
In late February, Macron caused an uproar by refusing to rule out the dispatch of Western ground troops to Ukraine. French Defence Minister Sébastien Lecornu later said that while the deployment of Western combat troops to fight in Ukraine was not on the table, a greater military presence could include mine clearance and training Ukrainian soldiers on Ukrainian soil.
In France's polarised political landscape, Russia's war against Ukraine has emerged as a major hot-button topic.
The French president has been seeking to hammer home the importance of greater support for Ukraine while trying to cast the country’s far-right Rassemblement National as an ally of the Kremlin. Members of both right-wing and left-wing opposition parties have accused the president of using the conflict to boost his centrist coalition's standing ahead of the European elections in June.
The European elections are seen as a key milestone ahead of France's next presidential election in 2027, when Le Pen is expected to mount a fourth bid for the top job and Macron cannot stand again due to term limits.
Macron planned to meet on Friday with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk in Berlin in a summit meant to show unity."
https://www.france24.com/en/france/2..._medium=social
Tabs please !
Attacks on refineries seem to have visible effects as outages of petrol at fuel stations are widely reported since the beginning of the year and even gasoline export was forbidden. All this cause logistics nightmare, overstretching forces which must protect infrastructure and can't be stationed on the front line, it also hurts the Russia's income.
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🇯🇵🇺🇸 "Japan has officially agreed to cooperate with USA to support Ukraine with weapons", - Yomiuri
🇺🇦👀 First of all, as part of the discussions, the United States plans to purchase Japanese weapons, which are produced domestically under an American license.
🇺🇦👀 First of all, as part of the discussions, the United States plans to purchase Japanese weapons, which are produced domestically under an American license.
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An explosion at Russian polling station in Belgorod.
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How is voting going?
Leonid Slutskiy, Nikolay Kharitonov, Vladislav Davankov are competing They placed pens with flying ink in the voting booths. Of course, the race is like that. Here's democracy!
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They are listening to the messages and evacuating Belgorod themselves.
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The response that Russia does not mention when going on about using their nukes.
You don't have to hit the refinery. Fuel is useless unless you can transport it. The rail and signalling infrastructure plus key bridges are easy to sabotage at multiple points. Furthermore, you can't fix rail infrastructure if the ballast and tamping machinery is out of action. Rail systems tend to have "just enough" of that.
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Update: 16 killed, 55 hospitalized following Russian missile attack on Odesa.
The death toll of a Russian missile strike on Odesa on March 15 has risen to 16, Governor Oleh Kiper said. Some 55 people were hospitalized with injuries, he noted.
The death toll of a Russian missile strike on Odesa on March 15 has risen to 16, Governor Oleh Kiper said. Some 55 people were hospitalized with injuries, he noted.
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Hitting Russian Railways.
I am led to believe one of the main problems of hitting the railways through sabotage is the tracks are quite easily repaired, with minimal machinery.
Taking out a section of the railway usually doesn't stop the trains being re-routed.
To stop that you need multiple sabotage teams over a wide area.
The risk of hitting a section in a remote area, is that its remote...so the team has to get to the remote area undetected and exfil.
That can only be done once or twice without people becoming suspicious.
Moving to a new area is easier said than done, if your face is new in an area again you are a target and you don't know the lay of the land.
Hitting the railways works best when the general populace is involved and or on your side.
As we have seen a great many Russians are in favour of the SO.
I am led to believe one of the main problems of hitting the railways through sabotage is the tracks are quite easily repaired, with minimal machinery.
Taking out a section of the railway usually doesn't stop the trains being re-routed.
To stop that you need multiple sabotage teams over a wide area.
The risk of hitting a section in a remote area, is that its remote...so the team has to get to the remote area undetected and exfil.
That can only be done once or twice without people becoming suspicious.
Moving to a new area is easier said than done, if your face is new in an area again you are a target and you don't know the lay of the land.
Hitting the railways works best when the general populace is involved and or on your side.
As we have seen a great many Russians are in favour of the SO.
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You don't have to hit the refinery. Fuel is useless unless you can transport it. The rail and signalling infrastructure plus key bridges are easy to sabotage at multiple points. Furthermore, you can't fix rail infrastructure if the ballast and tamping machinery is out of action. Rail systems tend to have "just enough" of that.
But hit the cracking towers and take them out means nothing and I mean nothing is going anywhere and cracking towers do not grow on trees, they are complex bits of kit, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the stuff they use was bought in from abroad. Better to hit the heart than the arteries, then everything stops.
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Railroad can be repaired fast (already Germans during WW2 were able to repair a direct hit within 5 hours and less). Bridges would be a better target but are guarded by armed sentries.
Russia was dependent on western companies when we speak about refinery technology and major ones pulled out after invasion. Attacking distillation columns seems to create a bottleneck. I think Ukrainians know why they chose to hit them.
Russia was dependent on western companies when we speak about refinery technology and major ones pulled out after invasion. Attacking distillation columns seems to create a bottleneck. I think Ukrainians know why they chose to hit them.
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When Partisans blow something up inside `your` country the political message far outweighs the event. These attacks are a reminder that Putin is not fully in control and reminds the Russian people `they` are at war.
Wolverines and all that.
Wolverines and all that.
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Ukraine's Sergyi Flesh: "Mark my words - in six months to a year, both sides will begin to produce enough FPVs to target every single soldier - all will be detected and destroyed day and night in a zone of up to 5-8 km. All infantry will retreat underground, and all surface activity will belong to ground robots."
I would like to think so too, and hope the partisans keep at it. But the Russian populace seems to be numb, insensitive in any meaningful way. The Russian populace doesn't seem to have potential intent to oppose the current regime, they seem deaf to any "political message." One can only hope for all the damage that partisans can create for the military value of that.