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Old 16th Feb 2024, 12:12
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For your info:
When it is spelt as Adveekva the posts tend to be Russian, Ukraine uses Adviikva.


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Creating a munition / vehicle interface. Wonderful phrase. Thanks Spunky Monkey
Munition/vehicle brief interface?
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 15:23
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The picture isn't at all clear. How many of this missile type have been fired and when/where ? Ukraine didn't get Patriots, NASAMS and IRIS-T until fairly late and the initial small numbers protected Kiev and ( possibly ) Odessa only. UKA AA systems have downed numerous of the "unstoppable " Kinzhal ( Mach 10 ) missile during the last 6-8 months.
Yeah, the details have to evolve, though the (Western ??) expert impression isn't that rosy.

Let alone, how to install a Patriot-sized weapon system on a carrier, that thingy does require a 1, max 2 seconds reaction time, between (potential detection) and the missile "to be destroyed". Not to speak about the debris with warhead just following its original course.
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Looks like the end of Adviikva is near, thanks to the excellent and timely support from western democracies!
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Could anyone here shed some light on the size/yield of the weapon that did this?
Edit, to be clear, I mean the crater in the woods, not the S300 attack.

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Originally Posted by WideScreen
Yeah, the details have to evolve, though the (Western ??) expert impression isn't that rosy.

Let alone, how to install a Patriot-sized weapon system on a carrier, that thingy does require a 1, max 2 seconds reaction time, between (potential detection) and the missile "to be destroyed". Not to speak about the debris with warhead just following its original course.
The missiles used in the naval AEGIS system are larger ( 7 m ) than Patriots ( 5.8 m )and obviously the carrier battle group with its Hawkeye AWACS and all the many surface radars has many many multiples of the computing and detection power availabe to the land-based Patriots, so at first sight it seems feasible.. Maybe its unnecessary as I'm certain the DoD and USN rate the carrier battle group as their most precious asset, and therefore anything good used elsewhere would be incorporated PDQ.
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Originally Posted by TURIN
Could anyone here shed some light on the size/yield of the weapon that did this?
Edit, to be clear, I mean the crater in the woods, not the S300 attack.

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1...Ldha5yoAg&s=19
I saw discussion it was iskander / tochka or more specifically the NK version of the Tockha. It says it in the thread
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That looks like a very expensive way of clearing a few acres of woodland and creating a pond. Let’s hope their targeting remains as poor.
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Looks like the end of Adviikva is near, thanks to the excellent and timely support from western democracies!
Maybe, but history is replete with examples of very costly [to the defenders] of real estate: Ypres [Ieper] and Verdun in the Great War for example.
One problem is that they become emblamatic, sacred ground for which so many have sacrificed their lives, whereas a Gallipoli, an Arnhem or a Dunkirk withdrawal only leaves a small chunk of battered landscape to the "winners".

Much easier to judge in an armchair with a glass of house red, but I would "fold my tents in the night" and admit a setback.
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 20:03
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All good armies know when to retreat. Just make sure the enemy has paid a fair price for the land they have won.
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And leave a smorgasbord of mines and booby traps for them
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Old 16th Feb 2024, 21:09
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And leave a smorgasbord of mines and booby traps for them
As long as you know where they are, for when you advance again.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
For your info:
When it is spelt as Adveekva the posts tend to be Russian, Ukraine uses Adviika
Correct, except it's Avdeevka : Avdiivka.

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I know who poisoned my wife. In the near future you will see the answer on the territory of the Russian Federation, and everyone will understand it,
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🔥 Russia: Shopping mall building converted to a military drone factory has burned down in Izhevsk.
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BREAKING:

The Ukrainian Army announces its complete withdrawal from Avdiivka to avoid encirclement

Footage of Ukrainian forces from the 3rd Assault Brigade, newly deployed to Avdiivka to secure the Ukrainian retreat from the city.

​​​​​​​This is a critical moment. Given Russia's manpower and resource advantages, Ukrainian units being encircled or taking heavy losses in a withdrawal could have a significant effect on the war. The relative resources expended in this battle will likely be the most important factor.
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BREAKING:
The Ukrainian Army announces its complete withdrawal from Avdiivka to avoid encirclement
Right choice! Just make sure the opponent paid dearly for this bit of acre.
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Yes, but a choice they may not have had to make had they received sufficient ammo supplies from their "friends"!
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Claims of 2 SU-34 and 1 SU-35 sambushed again

“On the morning of February 17, 2024, in the Eastern direction, units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed three enemy aircraft at once - two Su-34 fighter-bombers and one Su-35 fighter!” - Commander of the Air Force of Ukraine
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Yes, but a choice they may not have had to make had they received sufficient ammo supplies from their "friends"!
I find it frustrating and sad our indecision is costing Ukrainian lives. It must impact their morale but then I wonder if that is NATO's game plan all along. Let this conflict drag out into a stalemate where Russia wins. Kicking the can down the road.
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