Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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I, like most PPruners, look to the deployment of F16s with anticipation. I note that at least one country is timing delivery of the airframes to UKR coincident with the ‘training of pilots’, but little or nothing has been said about ground support etc.. No doubt Pruners more conversant with these things than I can shed light on just how these assets and support could be operated from UKR in anything like relative safety - surely a prime target for the baddies?
I, like most PPruners, look to the deployment of F16s with anticipation. I note that at least one country is timing delivery of the airframes to UKR coincident with the ‘training of pilots’, but little or nothing has been said about ground support etc.. No doubt Pruners more conversant with these things than I can shed light on just how these assets and support could be operated from UKR in anything like relative safety - surely a prime target for the baddies?
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I, like most PPruners, look to the deployment of F16s with anticipation. I note that at least one country is timing delivery of the airframes to UKR coincident with the ‘training of pilots’, but little or nothing has been said about ground support etc.. No doubt Pruners more conversant with these things than I can shed light on just how these assets and support could be operated from UKR in anything like relative safety - surely a prime target for the baddies?
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T Flan - you read more into my post than was intended, please credit me with a modicum of intelligence! I merely wonder if they will be the panacea we all hope for. Of course I hope they will be and are able to operate safely and effectively. Am I wrong to be concerned that we place more reliance on their ability to be a game changer than is realistically possible?
RU SAMs are still a thing. UKR has not (yet) established EW spectrum superiority as far as I can tell.
Better than nothing, by a fair margin. How the SAM suppression/mitigation (SEAD) is cobbled together will be an interesting challenge for UKR Air Force to handle.
Of course I hope they will be and are able to operate safely and effectively. Am I wrong to be concerned that we place more reliance on their ability to be a game changer than is realistically possible?
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Thanks for the considered response L50. Food for thought. It may, hopefully, be a late winter/early spring bringing surprises to all - especially the invaders. 🤞🏻
PS - I note with interest that Warthog Defense are claiming to have ‘firm’ video evidence of Russki advisers directly involved in the Hamas incursions. This is getting very complicated…
PS - I note with interest that Warthog Defense are claiming to have ‘firm’ video evidence of Russki advisers directly involved in the Hamas incursions. This is getting very complicated…
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The video with translation is on YT. Whether Russki regulars or some form of mercenary is open to debate. It poses a question as to whether supplies to both Ukr and IDF will be possible. Beeb reporting that the US have satellite imagery showing N Korean supplies to Putrid’s troops arriving near Ukr border.
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I, like most PPruners, look to the deployment of F16s with anticipation. I note that at least one country is timing delivery of the airframes to UKR coincident with the ‘training of pilots’, but little or nothing has been said about ground support etc.. No doubt Pruners more conversant with these things than I can shed light on just how these assets and support could be operated from UKR in anything like relative safety - surely a prime target for the baddies?
Belguim has offered to cover the maintenance on all donated F-16’s, but I would imagine that will be deep maintenance, not day to day, although that could be controlled from out of Country.
Belgium will provide Ukraine with “several” F-16 fighter jets starting in 2025, Defense Minister Ludivine Dedonder said Bel RTL.
According to the interview, the exact number is unknown. However, the minister said that the amount of Belgian F-16 fighter bombers that would be sent to Ukraine, will “depend on the ramp-up of our [Belgian] new F-35 capability”.
In addition, Ludivine Dedonder also announced that Belgium would continue its pilot training efforts and offer to take charge of maintenance for the coalition’s entire F-16 fleet.
According to the interview, the exact number is unknown. However, the minister said that the amount of Belgian F-16 fighter bombers that would be sent to Ukraine, will “depend on the ramp-up of our [Belgian] new F-35 capability”.
In addition, Ludivine Dedonder also announced that Belgium would continue its pilot training efforts and offer to take charge of maintenance for the coalition’s entire F-16 fleet.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
New details about the strike on bridge between Horlivka and Yasynuvata.
The new video shows destroyed Russian T-80 and 2A65 "Msta-B" 152.4mm howitzer, in Addition to the previously known 3-STS Akhmat.
So the strike was made when a Russian military column moved through this area.
The new video shows destroyed Russian T-80 and 2A65 "Msta-B" 152.4mm howitzer, in Addition to the previously known 3-STS Akhmat.
So the strike was made when a Russian military column moved through this area.
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Ohh what a treat… it looks like the nearest she is going to get to a new car is the truck dumping a pile of logs for her.
With these numbers we are seeing; I have been interested (from the start of this war), in the number of tanks that Russia (apparently), had in stock - as in they had war ready!
Was it 6,000+?
If the numbers are true, then over 75% of these 'war ready' tanks are gone?
Or, are the 'old' WAR2 tanks being included in these numbers..?
And just on a side track: One thinks that with the current drone technology nowadays, tanks are seemingly metal coffins.
Never mind when MANPADS first came out (Man can shoulder a tank killer when in his sight).
Now it seems anybody can take a tank out from many kms away...
Slava Ukraini!
Was it 6,000+?
If the numbers are true, then over 75% of these 'war ready' tanks are gone?
Or, are the 'old' WAR2 tanks being included in these numbers..?
And just on a side track: One thinks that with the current drone technology nowadays, tanks are seemingly metal coffins.
Never mind when MANPADS first came out (Man can shoulder a tank killer when in his sight).
Now it seems anybody can take a tank out from many kms away...
Slava Ukraini!
With these numbers we are seeing; I have been interested (from the start of this war), in the number of tanks that Russia (apparently), had in stock - as in they had war ready!
Was it 6,000+?
If the numbers are true, then over 75% of these 'war ready' tanks are gone?
Or, are the 'old' WAR2 tanks being included in these numbers..?
And just on a side track: One thinks that with the current drone technology nowadays, tanks are seemingly metal coffins.
Never mind when MANPADS first came out (Man can shoulder a tank killer when in his sight).
Now it seems anybody can take a tank out from many kms away...
Slava Ukraini!
Was it 6,000+?
If the numbers are true, then over 75% of these 'war ready' tanks are gone?
Or, are the 'old' WAR2 tanks being included in these numbers..?
And just on a side track: One thinks that with the current drone technology nowadays, tanks are seemingly metal coffins.
Never mind when MANPADS first came out (Man can shoulder a tank killer when in his sight).
Now it seems anybody can take a tank out from many kms away...
Slava Ukraini!
IIRC the Shermans had the apt nickname Ronsons, in round 2, today Russias armour seems to suit "Webber".
Those tank numbers seem to be consistent with the rate of loss that oryx tracked and the increase in lethality with the drones getting airtime.
At some point, one soldier of the Russians will look at the Pk and run the math as to his survival and go hunting Vladimirs in the high tower. It may be a forlorn hope but it seems to be statistically reasonable.
Those tank numbers seem to be consistent with the rate of loss that oryx tracked and the increase in lethality with the drones getting airtime.
At some point, one soldier of the Russians will look at the Pk and run the math as to his survival and go hunting Vladimirs in the high tower. It may be a forlorn hope but it seems to be statistically reasonable.
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Boba, try this, these are based on active losses, those over 100% include extras dragged from storage
It's not just the tanks. APC's are crucial as well. And russkies have been losing those with an increasing rate.
Now they are deploying APC's that entered service in 1954, the BTR-50. A confirmed loss so question arises: what will we see next?
Now they are deploying APC's that entered service in 1954, the BTR-50. A confirmed loss so question arises: what will we see next?
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