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Old 8th Oct 2023, 12:33
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Originally Posted by pba_target
All of this doesn't mean Russia has completed their objectives.
As with any war, the objectives have changed. Due to Russia catastrophic military failure, a stalemate and bleeding Ukraine dry financially and with blood is a victory condition. Outlast western democracy support for supplying hundreds of billions to Ukraine. You know that pesky USA election coming up, and a few more EU elections.

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how long do you think Russia can continue spending a third of its annual budget on this adventure before something gives?
They did it in WW2, and i'll place a bet, they'll outlast any western democracy in this regard. Yanks already complaining about Ukri spending when it's 1 percent of the budget. Don't forget Ukraine is at their doorstep just like Mexico or Cuba is to America.
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Thanks for that Comrade, now be a good fellow and pop of back to the Krumblin.
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 12:43
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Thanks for that Comrade, now be a good fellow and pop of back to the Krumblin.
Of course Sir, I guess my membership in the London private military club has been revoked? Sorry for disturbing your echo chamber.
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Originally Posted by antheads
As with any war, the objectives have changed. Due to Russia catastrophic military failure, a stalemate and bleeding Ukraine dry financially and with blood is a victory condition. Outlast western democracy support for supplying hundreds of billions to Ukraine. You know that pesky USA election coming up, and a few more EU elections.

They did it in WW2, and i'll place a bet, they'll outlast any western democracy in this regard. Yanks already complaining about Ukri spending when it's 1 percent of the budget. Don't forget Ukraine is at their doorstep just like Mexico or Cuba is to America.
Putins objectives have remained the same for about 15 years; Ruzzia for Putin, all for Putin, and tough pirogi to the rest,

It is a revelation that compared to the 1941 USSR, that the corruption of the Put-on regime and the Ruzzian peasantry at large, they make Stalin look like being a liberal, and a strategy genius. Putin wanted his name in history, think that is assured. He has done more damage to the Ruzzian economy, prestige, psyche, army, airforce, and navy, (with a defender that didn't have a navy after the first 12 hours of Putin throwing his rattle out of the crib. Cruelty was a feature of the USSR in WW-II, and there was justification for some anger, but Putin has managed to put more of his government of grifters into the sights of a war crimes tribunal than Joe did in 41-45. Well done, Vlad, you get to go down in history, much as Wile E, Coyote has. The RT talking heads complete the image of a looney tunes credits....

"That's all folks!"
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Exjumperuk
I know that its being pedantic but I hope you mean 'lose lose'. Why can't people grasp this simple spelling?
I would learn to ignore it. I had the same with aviation people referring to hangars as hangers. Now I've just mellowed and accepted that if I understand what they mean, so be it!
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 14:41
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Vlad full well knows that any nukes produce fallout in Russia.
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 15:00
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Spend less time consuming information and more time thinking

Why You Should Stop Reading News
Our obsession with being informed makes it hard to think long-term.
We spend hours consuming news because we want to be informed. The problem is, the news doesn’t make us informed – quite the opposite. The more news we consume, the more misinformed we become.

News is, by definition, something that doesn’t last. It exists for only a moment before it changes. As news has become easier to distribute and cheaper to produce, the quality has decreased, and the quantity has increased, making it nearly impossible to find the signal in the noise.

Rarely do we stop to ask ourselves questions about the media we consume: Is this good for me? Is this dense with detailed information? Is this important? Is this going to stand the test of time? Is the person writing someone who is well-informed on the issue? Asking those questions makes it clear the news isn’t good for you.

What can you do differently?
… spend less time consuming information and more time thinking.

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Old 8th Oct 2023, 15:07
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safetypee, ref to your last sentence "spend less time consuming information and more time thinking", things might be very different if the average Russian was capable of that!
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A Russian ammo depot near Tokmak has been hit.

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Old 8th Oct 2023, 16:33
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​​​​​​​What happens when a Russian T-90M is hit by a Ukrainian tank firing 120 mm APFSDS round with depleted uranium.
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 17:15
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There appears to be some doubt that it was a tank round. Possibly an ATGM?
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 17:31
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Yes, either ATGM or Directional AT Mine, viewed from a distance you can see the smoke trail and no tank at the other end.


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North Korea is transferring Artillery to Russia.

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Old 8th Oct 2023, 18:58
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
If you allow it, then what… that is the problem, say North Korea nukes South Korea having seen Russia get away with it, or China hits Taiwan .
You have to use a deterrent that equals the threat or those countries will operate with impunity. What use would your Air Power be over North Korea or China?

That is what I am trying to get across, strike in kind keeps the genie in the bottle, to not brings the rest of the world closer to destruction

Does that make sense?
If you’re inferring Moscow should glow because Vlad pops off a tactical nuke, then no it doesn’t make sense at it will precipitate WWIII.
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 19:03
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
Vlad full well knows that any nukes produce fallout in Russia.
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In a winter easterly at all relevant levels?
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 19:05
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
Vlad full well knows that any nukes produce fallout in Russia.
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The US has nuked Nevada hundreds of times producing downwinders, likely some cancer (John Wayne) and some class action lawsuits. Hiroshima and Nagasaki populations are larger than they were pre WWII and are completely livable. You think Vlad is a little worried about producing some fallout?
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Old 8th Oct 2023, 21:52
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Intense combat footage from Ukraine (that apparently doesn't exist):

1st Company of the 1st Battalion of the 3rd Assault Brigade receiving a direct hit into their M113, dismounting, setting up circular defence under heavy fire, and helping and evacuating the wounded.

UK flag on one of the troops at 1:02
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Another push

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A bit of thread creep, but he is abhorred at what is going on in Israel, but what he says is actually what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

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Old 9th Oct 2023, 01:46
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A bit of thread creep, but he is abhorred at what is going on in Israel, but what he says is actually what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
​​​​​​​https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/st...90527355662429
Putin's reasoning for the war on Ukraine is virtually identical to Israel's justifications for their war against the Palestinians.
They need to secure their borders and the other (country) isn't really a country anyway.

The Germans circa mid 20th century were a bit more honest about their expansion plan; they called it Lebensraum.
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