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Old 1st Oct 2023, 14:08
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After giving it some thought, I have moved the breaking news about elections in Slovakia into the "Unpleasantries" thread in Jet Blast.

This political development is related to the war in Ukraine at the political level, certainly, but it is also related to much else political.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 14:09
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I have no idea how intelligent visual recognition navigation/targetting devices are, but doubt that they can recognise shadows, so this is undoubtedly a somewhat effective tactic for very little cost. It's best - I believe - to report without bias.
I would think they are all 3D object based systems, so unlikely to be confused by a 2D flat image painted on the ground.

If its a giant inflatable Bear on the other hand, or made of wood, that would be a different matter.
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Maybe they're just parking aids - to reduce the number of collisions with light stanchions...
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Did it ever work?
In that it stopped the owners getting insurance and hence cancelling voyages - yes.
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https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...loy-to-poland/

British fighter jets deploy to Poland

Four RAF Typhoon jets have been deployed to Poland, to conduct exercises with aircraft from Spain, Poland, and Italy….

The Typhoons, which deployed to Poland today, will remain in Poland for two weeks….

The Ministry of Defence said:

“The activity comes ahead of UK Ministers attending the Warsaw Security Forum this week. Defence Minister James Heappey and FCDO ministers Anne-Marie Trevelyan and Lord Ahmad will all use the forum to stress the need to maintain support for Ukraine and keep up the pressure on Russia.

Earlier this year, the UK and Polish foreign secretaries and defence ministers signed a strategic partnership on foreign policy, security and defence – emphasising both countries’ commitment to European security and collective defence through NATO.

On Wednesday, James Heappey will visit RAF personnel deployed with the Typhoons, as well as troops deployed in eastern Poland who operate the Sky Sabre surface-to-air missile system, bolstering Poland’s air defences close to the border with Ukraine.”
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
I have no idea how intelligent visual recognition navigation/targetting devices are, but doubt that they can recognise shadows, so this is undoubtedly a somewhat effective tactic for very little cost. It's best - I believe - to report without bias.



I think the chances that someone went out and measured 100 m2 are zero so it is obviously a guesstimate. It is therefore completely wrong to use Google to give an exact translation down to a single ft2 - 1 076 ft2: - since it was just a guess, 1100 ft2 would have been appropriate if you felt it necessary.. This is a common journalistic error that really irritates me excessively.
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I would think they are all 3D object based systems, so unlikely to be confused by a 2D flat image painted on the ground.

If its a giant inflatable Bear on the other hand, or made of wood, that would be a different matter.
Land attack cruise missiles and smart munitions like Storm Shadow, HiMars etc are all guided in their terminal phase first by GPS with a circular error probability of a few metres to get to the intended target and then switch to thermal imaging and/or radar based seekers. The former are 3D imaging and will not confuse real targets with flat painted surfaces. The second obtains radar returns from reflections and here, clearly, the painted ground will offer no returns other than ground clutter. Dual mode seekers are even harder to thwart as they fuse data from both seeker sources to eliminate decoys. I would say these painted targets are there to confuse optical spectrum recon drone imaging from high altitude to give a false indication of force scale.
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​​​​​​​Romania’s Defense Ministry reveals that Russia is waging electronic warfare against Romania.

Daniel Petrescu, the Army Chief of Staff of Romania, says Russia is “actively & constantly” jamming GPS communications of ships in Romanian waters, increasing the risk of collisions.
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/1/7422161/

Ukraine successfully attacks Russian helicopter parking in Sochi

Ukrainian drones have attacked the Russian city of Sochi in Krasnodar Krai, striking a helicopter parking lot.

Russian media report that the Smolensk aircraft plant, which is a part of the Russian Tactical Missile Armament state corporation, was the target.


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Romania’s Defense Ministry reveals that Russia is waging electronic warfare against Romania.

Daniel Petrescu, the Army Chief of Staff of Romania, says Russia is “actively & constantly” jamming GPS communications of ships in Romanian waters, increasing the risk of collisions.
Don’t they keep à lookout from the bridges of ships in Romania? I did OOW in the days before gps and by and large we tended to miss others ships as well as the bottom of the sea and the bits of ground that stuck up above the water. Heck, we even normally fetched up at the right port.
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Ermmmmm, does this not risk escalation and plays to the Russian narrative, having UK troops on the ground in Ukraine.



https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/...21414640099813
Perhaps, but what would Putin’s next play be? Just more of the same? He will do that anyway.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
Don’t they keep à lookout from the bridges of ships in Romania? I did OOW in the days before gps and by and large we tended to miss others ships as well as the bottom of the sea and the bits of ground that stuck up above the water. Heck, we even normally fetched up at the right port.
I think it's fair to say AIS reduces the risk of collision especially in poor weather. No GPS = no AIS = increased risk of collision
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Fair enough. We had no AIS. In poor weather, we reduced speed, posted extra lookouts and kept a close eye on the radar. Our anti collision system was a chinagraph pencil drawing dots on the blip on the screen. If the dots were creeping towards the centre of the screen, we did something about it.
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Even amongst potential enemies, respect for those that have fallen surpasses all.

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More fires in Russia.

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More on the attacks at the Smolensk aircraft plant.


Confirmation Russia shot down all the drones
It looks like a controlled glide into the target.


however.

​​​​​​​This is the "Kolevka" part of town in Smolensk. The drone fell behind house #2, there is a small forest there and people part cars behind the house. The airport and the aviation plant is still hundreds of meters to the North from there, so no militarily relevant object was hit.
​​​​​​​ But it shows that the drone was not shot down and instead just hit somewhere else - possibly due to jamming.
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Great customer support….. 😇😇

"So when a Ukrainian tanker with the callsign “Kochevnik” ran into problems with his captured Russian T-72B3—problems local expertise couldn’t immediately solve—he called Uralvagonzavod tech support. And incredibly, the help line actually helped."

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A Ukrainian Officer’s Captured Russian Tank Wasn’t Working. So He Called Tech Support—In Russia.
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Well this is a turn up for the books, I wonder how Hungary is feeling about now.

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Ukraine say they hit the Smolensk missile plant and caused significant damage.

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