Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Do they? Surely it depends on who the replacement is. Is there a list of nice guys waiting to step forward? It might be a case of careful what you wish for..
Usual caveats - Russians are claiming the C2 was taken out by a Kornet ATGM.
Additional image of burnt out C2:
Additional image of burnt out C2:
IIRC, something in Murphy's Laws of Combat applies here, as well as "no matter how good you think your plan is, the enemy gets a vote"
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So they publish a photo of the Russian helicopter defector, so everyone knows who he is
Could be a photo of someone else - so that anyone suspicious of the real relocated person thinks it’s not him because they saw this photo and that’s who they’re looking for….
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It looks like he is going to carry 9n flying, but on the side of Ukraine, he also took out his fellow crew when defecting apparently.
It looks like he is going to carry 9n flying, but on the side of Ukraine, he also took out his fellow crew when defecting apparently.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...32855828488230
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...32855828488230
Big spending day for Poland 12 more patriot batteries with new radar. 48 launchers 'hundreds' of PAC-3SME
138 CAMM launchers + 1000 missiles
a 3rd assorted SHORD made up of a big combo of things including manpads (prioun) to 30mm cannons
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Even more spending by Poland. They’re going to end being vastly the greatest military power in Europe.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...-billion-deal/
Poland buys hundreds of Naval Strike Missiles in $2 billion deal
WARSAW, Poland — Poland has ordered “several hundred” Naval Strike Missiles in a deal worth 8 billion zloty (U.S. $2 billion), according to the country’s weapons procurement agency.
Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak signed the deal for two new naval missile units for its existing Naval Strike Missile anti-ship system. The contract will enable the military to boost its coastal defense capabilities along the Baltic Sea.
The contract, awarded to Norwegian company Kongsberg Defence and Aerospace, covers the supply of “command vehicles, missile launchers, and several hundred anti-ship NSM missiles,” according to the Armament Agency.
Geir Hĺřy, president and CEO of Kongsberg, said in a statement that this deal is the largest single contract in the company’s history.
Deliveries are scheduled to take place from 2026 to 2032. Under the contract, Polish defense companies will be involved in supplying the weapons in cooperation with the Norwegian business, the agency said….
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...-billion-deal/
Poland buys hundreds of Naval Strike Missiles in $2 billion deal
WARSAW, Poland — Poland has ordered “several hundred” Naval Strike Missiles in a deal worth 8 billion zloty (U.S. $2 billion), according to the country’s weapons procurement agency.
Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak signed the deal for two new naval missile units for its existing Naval Strike Missile anti-ship system. The contract will enable the military to boost its coastal defense capabilities along the Baltic Sea.
The contract, awarded to Norwegian company Kongsberg Defence and Aerospace, covers the supply of “command vehicles, missile launchers, and several hundred anti-ship NSM missiles,” according to the Armament Agency.
Geir Hĺřy, president and CEO of Kongsberg, said in a statement that this deal is the largest single contract in the company’s history.
Deliveries are scheduled to take place from 2026 to 2032. Under the contract, Polish defense companies will be involved in supplying the weapons in cooperation with the Norwegian business, the agency said….
And you follow suit on what is, in the end, a public forum.
Only US-troops close to the eastern polish border will scare Russia away. The arming up might be the financial contribution needed to get those troops in.
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Who knew, we learn something every day, Russian tactics, we all laughed and scoffed at the aircraft covered in old tyres, but it appears their is sound logic behind them, shortly after the Ukrainians announced they had modified the Neptune missile to use it against land targets the tyres started to appear.
Apparently the Neptune fly's to the target area then uses IR imaging using information in its data banks to identify targets to attack, no identifiable target and it aborts. The tyres break up the expected IR signatures the aircraft puts out.
Apparently the Neptune fly's to the target area then uses IR imaging using information in its data banks to identify targets to attack, no identifiable target and it aborts. The tyres break up the expected IR signatures the aircraft puts out.
When the first, lower-resolution satellite imagery of the bombers’ unusual coverings emerged, it was by no means clear what exactly they consisted of. Using tires, whether from cars, trucks, or even other aircraft, is clearly a low-cost, rapidly improvised countermeasure to what is apparently an urgent problem. The efficacy of such a tactic, depending on the system being employed against it, is unknown, though.A covering of tires could well be calculated to break up the infrared signature of these aircraft, to confuse cruise missiles using image matching for targeting. This technique is also frequently referred to as DSMAC (Digital Scene Matching Area Correlator) or ATR (Automated Target Recognition) when used in cruise missiles.
As we have previously discussed, using DSMAC/ATR would provide land attack versions of Ukraine’s homegrown Neptune missiles with a significant advantage, making them largely immune to electronic warfare jamming. At the same time, their approach to the target would not involve any telltale radio-frequency emissions, thanks to the passive nature of the targeting.
Speaking to The War Zone, a Ukrainian official confirmed that the land-attack Neptune uses a locally developed GPS guidance system to bring the missile to a pre-determined location. The missile then employs an infrared imaging seeker to search for and lock onto a target based on a pre-loaded image. Generally speaking, if missiles using this form of terminal guidance cannot match the target to what's in their memory bank, they will abort the attack. Breaking up the infrared silhouette of the target is one way of attempting to do this.It remains possible that the bombers’ tire coverings serve another purpose, although defeating missiles with DSMAC/ATR capabilities certainly seems the most likely for now. Breaking up the form of the aircraft in the infrared band is precisely what would throw off this type of seeker arrangement. It's also possible that Ukraine's long-range drones could begin using a similar homing ability, but there is no proof of that at this time.
Particularly striking is the timing of the appearance of these tires in relation to the first use of a land-attack-capable Ukrainian Neptune missile. After all, the base has come under repeated attack using crude Ukrainian long-range drones in the past, but there were no previous signs of the tire coverings.
There is also a notable precedent for this kind of Russian countermeasure. Right around the time when Ukraine started using Storm Shadow, we observed how the new paint schemes being applied to warships of the Black Sea Fleet were very likely intended to confuse that missile’s automatic target recognition systems. By blacking out large portions of the ship with paint specifically formulated for infrared suppression, the silhouette would be broken up and the missile's onboard image matching algorithm would be denied a positive identification — at least that's the idea. Other missiles that could find their way to Ukraine via the country's NATO backers also use this same targeting capability, as well.
As we have previously discussed, using DSMAC/ATR would provide land attack versions of Ukraine’s homegrown Neptune missiles with a significant advantage, making them largely immune to electronic warfare jamming. At the same time, their approach to the target would not involve any telltale radio-frequency emissions, thanks to the passive nature of the targeting.
Speaking to The War Zone, a Ukrainian official confirmed that the land-attack Neptune uses a locally developed GPS guidance system to bring the missile to a pre-determined location. The missile then employs an infrared imaging seeker to search for and lock onto a target based on a pre-loaded image. Generally speaking, if missiles using this form of terminal guidance cannot match the target to what's in their memory bank, they will abort the attack. Breaking up the infrared silhouette of the target is one way of attempting to do this.It remains possible that the bombers’ tire coverings serve another purpose, although defeating missiles with DSMAC/ATR capabilities certainly seems the most likely for now. Breaking up the form of the aircraft in the infrared band is precisely what would throw off this type of seeker arrangement. It's also possible that Ukraine's long-range drones could begin using a similar homing ability, but there is no proof of that at this time.
Particularly striking is the timing of the appearance of these tires in relation to the first use of a land-attack-capable Ukrainian Neptune missile. After all, the base has come under repeated attack using crude Ukrainian long-range drones in the past, but there were no previous signs of the tire coverings.
There is also a notable precedent for this kind of Russian countermeasure. Right around the time when Ukraine started using Storm Shadow, we observed how the new paint schemes being applied to warships of the Black Sea Fleet were very likely intended to confuse that missile’s automatic target recognition systems. By blacking out large portions of the ship with paint specifically formulated for infrared suppression, the silhouette would be broken up and the missile's onboard image matching algorithm would be denied a positive identification — at least that's the idea. Other missiles that could find their way to Ukraine via the country's NATO backers also use this same targeting capability, as well.
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Another consequence of the war. Now they have US troops on their southern border…..
Armenian Defense Ministry announced that Armenian-American military exercises will be held in the country from September 11 to 20.
Armenian Defense Ministry announced that Armenian-American military exercises will be held in the country from September 11 to 20.
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Oh my goodness, this:
"...many supplies are transported by car",
has a huge numbers of implications for Russian logistics.🤯
Russian De-motorization, Arriving🧵…
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"...many supplies are transported by car",
has a huge numbers of implications for Russian logistics.🤯
Russian De-motorization, Arriving🧵…
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...598666788.html
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