Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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It was aug 4th, closed hatches means they may still be inside it 
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Yep. As Ukraine keep publishing stories about vehicle recovery you would expect them to close the hatches to preserve them for later.
This one seems to have blown off the panels above the ammo storage on both rear sides of the turret. This would suggest a catastrophic hit.....except there's drone footage out there of a Leo 2A6 with one panel already missing, being targeted yet again. A trophy target like this is going to attack follow-on drone attacks like wasps on jam.
This one seems to have blown off the panels above the ammo storage on both rear sides of the turret. This would suggest a catastrophic hit.....except there's drone footage out there of a Leo 2A6 with one panel already missing, being targeted yet again. A trophy target like this is going to attack follow-on drone attacks like wasps on jam.
Why? British Royal Marines come from civi street and enlist to become Marines, what’s the difference? Same with the Para’s, it is only the SAS etc I believe that tend to recruit from within.
Though this infers they were training Ukrainian Marines in a skill set.
https://twitter.com/RoyalMarines/sta...26021921820672
Though this infers they were training Ukrainian Marines in a skill set.
https://twitter.com/RoyalMarines/sta...26021921820672
The fact that the SAS requires experience , shows that when you know you will have a sufficiently large volunteer pool , you set a higher entry bar to save selection/training time for a better end-result achieved in a more effective manner.
Things might be happening on the bridge again. Could be just a smoke screen exercise or could be something real. One russian telegram is reporting a ship and the bridge have been struck again. Go grab some popcorn and starting reading your favorite telegram / twitter posters
Theres video of air defence firing and smoke on the bridge
Theres video of air defence firing and smoke on the bridge
Both russia and ukrainians admit that missiles were shot at it. Russia says they shot down 2 missiles. Ukraine admits they fired an S200 at the bridge. Got no idea what targeting an S200 modified for ground attack would use
Sad panda sounds like the missile was intercepted
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The Twitter Post was Aug 4th, but are we sure the footage doesn't show the same tank we have seen in earlier pictures. Either because the video ist older or because the tank hasn't been recovered yet. The setting, the position of the turret and the damages looks all too similar to the older pictures.
The fact that the hatches are closed should be expected. It is not wise to leave them open so the opponent can drop a grenade into it, making it finally definitely irreparable.
@The Helpful Stacker: Thanks! confirms my memories of having seen that tank before
The fact that the hatches are closed should be expected. It is not wise to leave them open so the opponent can drop a grenade into it, making it finally definitely irreparable.
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It seems obvious to me that if you take experienced troops you will either achieve your goal quicker, or alternatively have a more skilled cadre at the end, than if you take raw recruits who have to be taught the basics of weapons-handling, marksmanship, squad tactics and movement, achieving fitness etc. which seasoned troops should have .
The fact that the SAS requires experience , shows that when you know you will have a sufficiently large volunteer pool , you set a higher entry bar to save selection/training time for a better end-result achieved in a more effective manner.
The fact that the SAS requires experience , shows that when you know you will have a sufficiently large volunteer pool , you set a higher entry bar to save selection/training time for a better end-result achieved in a more effective manner.
I agree with nutloose that being trained as a marine is not a very specialist training that would require prior experience per se. In this case it ust happens that commandos are training these people. What is a marine anyway? A soldier trained for amphibious assaults. Not unlike a land army soldier trained for eg as mechanized infantry.
It may be beneficial to mix the newcomers and seasoned soldiers, mix in the experience, but bearing in mind what is being said about old dogs and new tricks.
Originally Posted by Beamr;11483533[b
]Theres been issues with retraining experienced troops. Some of them had the tendency of reverting to soviet doctrines in battle (earlier training taking over)[/b] which has lead to losses during the summer (reported by western intelligence agencies). If you train a new recruit to western doctrine from scratch, there is no such issue.
I agree with nutloose that being trained as a marine is not a very specialist training that would require prior experience per se. In this case it ust happens that commandos are training these people. What is a marine anyway? A soldier trained for amphibious assaults. Not unlike a land army soldier trained for eg as mechanized infantry.
It may be beneficial to mix the newcomers and seasoned soldiers, mix in the experience, but bearing in mind what is being said about old dogs and new tricks.
I agree with nutloose that being trained as a marine is not a very specialist training that would require prior experience per se. In this case it ust happens that commandos are training these people. What is a marine anyway? A soldier trained for amphibious assaults. Not unlike a land army soldier trained for eg as mechanized infantry.
It may be beneficial to mix the newcomers and seasoned soldiers, mix in the experience, but bearing in mind what is being said about old dogs and new tricks.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Reference the tank at 3822-3832, thy'll keep hitting it (and videoing from different angles) for reasons as previously explained...
Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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From the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/w...raine-war.html
After months of grueling advances through minefields, small villages and open steppes, Ukrainian forces are making some progress along two major lines of attack, according to analysts, Ukrainian officials and Russian military bloggers.
The advances, while small in terms of territory taken, are compelling Moscow to redeploy forces, military analysts say. The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, called the advances “tactically significant,” adding that the situation would create new challenges for Russian forces spread across the vast front line.
Ukraine is trying to reach the Sea of Azov and drive a wedge into Russian-occupied territory. Currently, the only bridge linking the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula to mainland Russia is the Kerch Strait Bridge, which Ukraine has attacked multiple times.
Explosions again echoed at the bridge on Saturday, as the Russian military said it had thwarted a missile attack. The Russian account could not be independently confirmed, and Ukrainian officials had no immediate comments on the episode.
The advances, while small in terms of territory taken, are compelling Moscow to redeploy forces, military analysts say. The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, called the advances “tactically significant,” adding that the situation would create new challenges for Russian forces spread across the vast front line.
Ukraine is trying to reach the Sea of Azov and drive a wedge into Russian-occupied territory. Currently, the only bridge linking the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula to mainland Russia is the Kerch Strait Bridge, which Ukraine has attacked multiple times.
Explosions again echoed at the bridge on Saturday, as the Russian military said it had thwarted a missile attack. The Russian account could not be independently confirmed, and Ukrainian officials had no immediate comments on the episode.
Does this mean that troops trained over the last few years - and especially since the invasion - have been trained using Russian methods ? I believed that there had been significant numbers of NATO trainers in Ukraine for years pre-invasion, instructing Western methods.
The western doctrine includes change of positions, going forward for firing and reversing away. Now that can't be done with soviet MBT's, therefore we can see lots of videos of orc drivers doing idiotic things on minefields.
They've only been able to use western training on this since May 2023 when Leos started arriving to the theatre, driven by ex-T-series drivers. It takes a while.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
So, Kerch Strait bridge attacked this morning by Ukraine with what is reported to be a salvo of multiple modified S-200 missiles.
Russia claims no hits but videos show otherwise and 6 hours later the bridge is still closed to traffic.
Russia is claiming the smoke was released to confuse the missiles…
Russia claims no hits but videos show otherwise and 6 hours later the bridge is still closed to traffic.
Russia is claiming the smoke was released to confuse the missiles…
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Terminating the Terminator, Russias all sing and dancing tank kill.
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God works in mysterious ways.
It’s about this time that you realise your vacation may well be extended a while.
It’s about this time that you realise your vacation may well be extended a while.