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Old 28th Jul 2023, 10:51
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Those Russian helos seem to have a nasty habit of burning as soon as they fall over, we don't often see Western typs doing that in relatively mild rollover accidents like that.
having fuel tanks on the outside of the fuselage that get rubbed around as the wreck does a jig with the flailing stumps of the rotor and in response to the unreacted torque is going to put gas into the path of excellent heat sources. Russki TS-1 fuel is designed for low temps, IIRC that makes it a wider cut fuel (GOST 10227 standard) which has a greater volatility than Jet A/A1, JP4 etc, ~28C. Mainly, tanks get ruptured in the merry go round stage of the bingle, while exhausts, intake, grinding is still going on, in the middle of the beating the planet to submission phase.

Some western choppers have the same, like the UH/MH-60 CH/MH-53 etc. Don't cut down poles with MRBs/TRBs.
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Those cheap Chinese tyres again!
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Is that stacks of ammo near the burning tank?, I doubt I would be standing next to it filming.


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German aid latest deliveries, love the to the round accounting lol

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Akhmat retreating and geolocated.


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Is that stacks of ammo near the burning tank?, I doubt I would be standing next to it filming.



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That's cheating, it is supposed to toss the entire turret, not just the barrel. Could it be a case of effect and cause?
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Updates on the advance


Not sure if this is for real




You can see the dragons teeth on the left as this vehicle passes through them..


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Poor old Mastiff A lot of "destroyed" but recoverable Ukrainian vehicles, It does look though that they carried on moving forward, so the advance goes on.

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That's cheating, it is supposed to toss the entire turret, not just the barrel. Could it be a case of effect and cause?
It's a fair chance that a 65 year old tube decided to commit seppuku with abuse from being relegated to pretend arty. If so, hope the other crims' don't get the message before their trusty steeds self destruct.

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The Polish Minister of the Interior, Mariusz Kamiński stated today that Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia are discussing closing the Belarusian-EU border if an Incident involving the Wagner group occurs.
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RAF watching Russia AND Belarus

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This happened in March, only publicised yesterday. The four arrested were initially imprisoned, but are now free under judicial control. The company has been sold to the American semi-conductor manufacturer, Macom.
Ouch, how embarrassing for the French.....
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Russia: An employee blew up the Kuibyshev oil refinery in Samara today.

Preliminarily, the improvised explosive device was planted by this person, who arrived with a bag but was the last person to leave the area without it.

Sergey was reportedly born in Ukraine.



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From the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/28/w...-taganrog.html
Moscow said it shot down two Ukrainian missiles over southwestern Russia on Friday, including one that fell and exploded in a city center — apparently rare instances of Ukraine using such powerful weapons to attack targets inside Russia.

Coming as Ukraine, within its own borders, steps up its counteroffensive against the Russian invaders, the missile attacks could signal a more aggressive effort to expand a war that until now has brought death and destruction almost exclusively to Ukrainian territory.
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https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-july-28-2023

Russian naval posturing in the Black Sea likely aims to impose a de facto blockade on Ukrainian ports without committing the Black Sea Fleet to the enforcement of a naval blockade

Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Captain First Rank Nataliya Humenyuk reported on July 28 that Ukrainian officials have intercepted radio transmissions of Russian forces warning civilian ships in the Black Sea against heading to Ukrainian ports.

A Russian milblogger amplified an audio recording purportedly of a Russian warship telling a civilian vessel in the Black Sea that Russian forces would consider the vessel involved in the conflict in Ukraine as a military cargo ship if it sailed towards a Ukrainian port.

Russian sources also claimed that Russian authorities announced a nighttime navigation ban for all small vessels near the Kerch Strait due to
concerns about Ukrainian naval drones….

The Russian Foreign Ministry (MFA) recently attempted to soften the Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) July 19 announcement about viewing civilian ships in the Black Sea as legitimate military targets by claiming that the announcement meant that Russian forces would inspect ships.

The Russian MoD itself has not clarified what actions its announcement will allow the Russian military to take and even the Russian MFA’s interpretation would require Russian forces to board and possibly seize foreign civilian vessels.

The Russian naval posturing in the Black Sea is likely intentionally ambiguous to generate widespread concern about possible detention by the Russian navy or outright strikes on civilian vessels. The Kremlin likely aims for this posturing to have a chilling effect on maritime activity so that Russian naval assets do not need to enforce an actual blockade of Ukrainian ports.

A naval blockade is only mandatory for neutral entities to follow under international law if a belligerent declares the existence of the blockade, and Russia has yet to do so…..
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https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-july-28-2023

Russian naval posturing in the Black Sea likely aims to impose a de facto blockade on Ukrainian ports without committing the Black Sea Fleet to the enforcement of a naval blockade

Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Captain First Rank Nataliya Humenyuk reported on July 28 that Ukrainian officials have intercepted radio transmissions of Russian forces warning civilian ships in the Black Sea against heading to Ukrainian ports.

A Russian milblogger amplified an audio recording purportedly of a Russian warship telling a civilian vessel in the Black Sea that Russian forces would consider the vessel involved in the conflict in Ukraine as a military cargo ship if it sailed towards a Ukrainian port.

Russian sources also claimed that Russian authorities announced a nighttime navigation ban for all small vessels near the Kerch Strait due to
concerns about Ukrainian naval drones….

The Russian Foreign Ministry (MFA) recently attempted to soften the Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) July 19 announcement about viewing civilian ships in the Black Sea as legitimate military targets by claiming that the announcement meant that Russian forces would inspect ships.

The Russian MoD itself has not clarified what actions its announcement will allow the Russian military to take and even the Russian MFA’s interpretation would require Russian forces to board and possibly seize foreign civilian vessels.

The Russian naval posturing in the Black Sea is likely intentionally ambiguous to generate widespread concern about possible detention by the Russian navy or outright strikes on civilian vessels. The Kremlin likely aims for this posturing to have a chilling effect on maritime activity so that Russian naval assets do not need to enforce an actual blockade of Ukrainian ports.

A naval blockade is only mandatory for neutral entities to follow under international law if a belligerent declares the existence of the blockade, and Russia has yet to do so…..
The laying of naval mines in international water is a breach of international law, as is having your mines end up in territorial waters of a state that you are not at war with. As Russia is not at war with Ukraine, (oddly, sure looks a lot like one, the Col of the KA52 that just fell out of the sky would probably differ from Putin on that score and the few hundred conscriptniks, Ukrainian defenders, and civilians that will die today) then plonking mines into Ukraine, or perish the thought Romanian or Turkish waters would be considered an act of war, they are munitions, and within the NATO borders. That suggests that shipping travelling within the 12nm limit of Turkey, Romania and into Ukraine, with an escort of Ukrainian, Romanian and Turkish warships would shove Lord Farquard's threats back in his face.

The blockade cannot be called in the territorial waters of the other state, unless at war.
Curiously, as Crimea is not recognised as Russian territory, Russian laying of mines in the territorial water of Crimea would be a crime.
As there is no war declared, Russia attacking a neutral ship or in fact any ship can be construed as a crime, it was finding against Doenitz in 1946. Attack against a foreign flagged vessel is piracy, unless a war is declared. The LOSC comes up with some odd cases, as the US found out when dealing with armed attacks in international water off the UAE, but deliberately sinking by any means a neutral commerce vessel without declaring a war will cause a ruckus.

Turkey would do well to reconsider their position to place escorts to the commerce shipping or to let NATO and international warships enter the Black Sea to push back into his box the clown in the Kremlin.



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The tank battle for the population centre taken the other day, filmed from a Russian point of view, it’s all a bit confusing to be honest, but then again, isn’t war!



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Novodarivka, Zaporizhzia region. Ukrainian units coming from Novopil'. 47.780291445660126, 36.64227325733962

AND it’s about time someone had a word with Google, as their maps recognise the territory as Russia and the 2014 borders!!!!!!



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Ukraine has reportedly hit the Chonhar bridge again on the Crimean spit. If it is down a major supply route is cut and results in a long winded detour that with the advances may mean the road is covered…. Happy holidays to those in Crimea that may find their holidays just got a lot hotter..

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Some much for the supposed brave and fearless Chechens, most are none Chechen and are basically treated like sh….

A longish read on their woes.

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