Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Think the rail bridge is structurally stronger and consequently a harder demolition job. Last October's blast on the road bridge caused collateral damage to the rail bridge from burning fuel tanks from a fortuitously passing train. Can't help but think the rail bridge and road bridge would be well demolished by an exploding ordnance train. Possibly, maybe, a fpv drone flown by local resistance might even detonate a passing ordnance train.... a most unsymmetrical/cost effective demolition job if it ever were to happen.
Don't think there's any credence to the idea of 'lets leave the road bridge intact for russian forces withdrawal' Doesn't make sense to leave the road bridge intact when russian trucks can therefore be used to supply Ukraine's opposing force.
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Don't think there's any credence to the idea of 'lets leave the road bridge intact for russian forces withdrawal' Doesn't make sense to leave the road bridge intact when russian trucks can therefore be used to supply Ukraine's opposing force.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The madmen are actual sending traffic over a bridge where the “intact” span was lifted and shifted 1 meter off its supports by an explosion less than 24 hours ago.
Ukraine might not need to hit it again, Russia might take care of it themselves.
Ukraine might not need to hit it again, Russia might take care of it themselves.
https://twitter.com/natalkakyiv/stat...HhlFHGKbTPQr_A
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Reference my #2892, it looks like that demolished half of the pier can’t be replaced and one lane is permanently out of action
And with the other shifted a meter sideways but still be used whilst damaged the other may not last long…
I am presuming the “restored” span due to open in November will be the proposed pontoon bridge alongside the destroyed section.
⚡️Russian official: One part of Crimean Bridge can't be restored.
https://kyivindependent.com/one-part-of-the/
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin said that one span of the part of the Crimean Bridge for road vehicles is completely destroyed and cannot be restored.…
Khusnullin added that the underwater pillars of the bridge were not damaged by the explosion and that cars should be able to use the bridge again by the early hours of July 18.
However, only one lane will be open. Khusnullin said that it would take until September to restore two-way traffic on one side of the bridge. The side of the traffic that goes toward Kerch in Crimea will take until November to be fully restored….
"A temporary bridge of 250 meters long will be built next to the damaged part of the Kerch Bridge," Vice Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Husnullin said.
And with the other shifted a meter sideways but still be used whilst damaged the other may not last long…
I am presuming the “restored” span due to open in November will be the proposed pontoon bridge alongside the destroyed section.
⚡️Russian official: One part of Crimean Bridge can't be restored.
https://kyivindependent.com/one-part-of-the/
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin said that one span of the part of the Crimean Bridge for road vehicles is completely destroyed and cannot be restored.…
Khusnullin added that the underwater pillars of the bridge were not damaged by the explosion and that cars should be able to use the bridge again by the early hours of July 18.
However, only one lane will be open. Khusnullin said that it would take until September to restore two-way traffic on one side of the bridge. The side of the traffic that goes toward Kerch in Crimea will take until November to be fully restored….
"A temporary bridge of 250 meters long will be built next to the damaged part of the Kerch Bridge," Vice Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Husnullin said.
Looks to me like the pier may not have sustained major damage, but that the decks have been blown off their supports; each deck is a largely independent structure, supported by a pier at each end. An important thing about this is that the entire length of the bridge is vulnerable to repeat attacks, and if Ukraine did it the way I think they did it, the Russians are going to have their work cut out to prevent repeat occurrences.
The railway bridge is presumably a more contiguous (and robust) structure, which will make it a harder nut to crack.
The railway bridge is presumably a more contiguous (and robust) structure, which will make it a harder nut to crack.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Never great for Putin when the Chinese disagree with him like this
China is ready to join the negotiations on the continuation of the Grain Agreement.
"China hopes that the Black Sea Grain Initiative will continue to be balanced and fully implemented," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning added.
China is ready to join the negotiations on the continuation of the Grain Agreement.
"China hopes that the Black Sea Grain Initiative will continue to be balanced and fully implemented," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning added.
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I was in Vienna last week, and noticed a lot of barge traffic on the Danube heading West with what I think was Grain.
I did suggest a good number of months ago that this maybe a get around to a degree for Grain export, but heard this also confirmed on Radio 4 this morning.
The only issue maybe low water levels later in the summer as winter snows were not so heavy last year combined with as we all know a very warm summer in southern/ Central Europe up to press.
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I was in Vienna last week, and noticed a lot of barge traffic on the Danube heading West with what I think was Grain.
I did suggest a good number of months ago that this maybe a get around to a degree for Grain export, but heard this also confirmed on Radio 4 this morning.
The only issue maybe low water levels later in the summer as winter snows were not so heavy last year combined with as we all know a very warm summer in southern/ Central Europe up to press.
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Russian army brigade commander Denis Ivanov (call sign Tashkent) has reportedly been eliminated with a drone strike in Ukraine as he was riding in a car. He was frequently cited on Russian state propaganda TV and was revered as "the legendary brigade commander."
The report of damages given to Putler says the railway tracks are damaged as well and it'll be mid September before road traffic may resume. Thats assuming there will be no more attacks of course...
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...93220623233029
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...93220623233029
and then sometimes, you have to stop and be impressed and smile.
Really!, Russia gives is morphed jello apparitions of spoofing, and the Ms M.S. horror show, [THIS IS A CLOROX USE ZONE] Ukraine gives is Richard Attenborough again, again.
Really!, Russia gives is morphed jello apparitions of spoofing, and the Ms M.S. horror show, [THIS IS A CLOROX USE ZONE] Ukraine gives is Richard Attenborough again, again.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Mr Mac,
Shipping grain west via the Danube etc has been a going on since the start of the warr. But ther3 are two problems.
Firstly the capacity is minute compared to the amount possible via ship.
Second, there have been mass protests from European farmers seeing the price drop and bordering east European countries have stopped shipment and imposed quotas and other restrictions against EU regulations and agreements.
e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-grain-imports
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...-grain-imports
Shipping grain west via the Danube etc has been a going on since the start of the warr. But ther3 are two problems.
Firstly the capacity is minute compared to the amount possible via ship.
Second, there have been mass protests from European farmers seeing the price drop and bordering east European countries have stopped shipment and imposed quotas and other restrictions against EU regulations and agreements.
e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-grain-imports
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...-grain-imports
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Film of the family in their car on the bridge that got hit, one is through the windscreen but appears conscious, i do not know if that was the survivor, WARNING: viewer discretion advised, only a quote, not a post so it does not come up on the site.
As for some of the comments about the poor girl and losing her family, well my thought go back to the old couple chopped to pieces when they pulled up near a junction and a APC fired into their car, or Bucha…. You play with fire, expect to get burnt, Russia brought this onto themselves, not the other way around.
There are reports are of 25km queues of cars attempting to flee Crimea
As for some of the comments about the poor girl and losing her family, well my thought go back to the old couple chopped to pieces when they pulled up near a junction and a APC fired into their car, or Bucha…. You play with fire, expect to get burnt, Russia brought this onto themselves, not the other way around.
There are reports are of 25km queues of cars attempting to flee Crimea
"Doesn't look like any of those present offered the girl any help or comfort".
That's not a priority - Sadly. Far more important to get it all on camera and onto Farcebroke/Twatter/Instercrumb to boost one's own profile
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Looking at the roadway damage you would think that you could span it with some form of temporary bridging as the main pillar do not look badly damaged. Even if you have to go back onto adjoining spans I do not see that being a big issue.
In fact given previous strike, if it was me I would have pre positioned such equipment because they must know it would be hit again.
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Re barge traffic I don’t think it was stopping in Eastern Europe, but I take your point on grain prices.
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In fact given previous strike, if it was me I would have pre positioned such equipment because they must know it would be hit again.
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Re barge traffic I don’t think it was stopping in Eastern Europe, but I take your point on grain prices.
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I just feel for all those Russians having their holidays curtailed so quickly, I just hope their travel agents can quickly book them into a resort in Syria instead. 
The reason for all the holidaymakers..... Human shields
The reason for all the holidaymakers..... Human shields
I just feel for all those Russians having their holidays curtailed so quickly, I just hope their travel agents can quickly book them into a resort in Syria instead.
The reason for all the holidaymakers..... Human shields
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The reason for all the holidaymakers..... Human shields
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Well that's laying his cards on the table.
“We will respond by leading a NATO effort to take out every Russian conventional force in Ukraine and also un Crimea and every ship in the Black Sea” the former CIA Director emphasized.
Putin had earlier called up 300,000 reservists but the retired American General said all that won’t help Putin. “He’s currently in an irresistibly desperate situation”.
https://news247gh.com/david-petraeus...ns-in-ukraine/
A former Army General of the U.S central command has revealed that the United States will not hesitate to react if Vladimir Putin use nuclear weapons in Ukraine
David Petraeus said all indications have shown Putin is losing in Ukraine, and that won’t stop. “Russian President Vladimir Putin faces an irresistible situation amid the country’s land grab in Ukraine” he told APC News.“We will respond by leading a NATO effort to take out every Russian conventional force in Ukraine and also un Crimea and every ship in the Black Sea” the former CIA Director emphasized.
Putin had earlier called up 300,000 reservists but the retired American General said all that won’t help Putin. “He’s currently in an irresistibly desperate situation”.
https://news247gh.com/david-petraeus...ns-in-ukraine/
Well that's laying his cards on the table./
You're generally doing a grand job but that link is from 9 months ago, and the recent "Russians are advancing" post was a laughable fake. I thank you for providing all the info that you do, but a little scrutiny might be appropriate before posting things that are clearly old or garbage.
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Nutloose,
You're generally doing a grand job but that link is from 9 months ago, and the recent "Russians are advancing" post was a laughable fake. I thank you for providing all the info that you do, but a little scrutiny might be appropriate before posting things that are clearly old or garbage.
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You're generally doing a grand job but that link is from 9 months ago, and the recent "Russians are advancing" post was a laughable fake. I thank you for providing all the info that you do, but a little scrutiny might be appropriate before posting things that are clearly old or garbage.
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