Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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The U.S will buy retired MIM-23 Hawk anti-air system with missiles from Taiwan, and will refurbish then send to Ukraine.
Taiwan has at least 13 batteries and 39 radars of this system.
This news is on some of the biggest medias in Taiwan already.
Taiwan has at least 13 batteries and 39 radars of this system.
This news is on some of the biggest medias in Taiwan already.
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The chaos continues in Russia.
Its mind boggling they managed to engineer a major dispute with the main UAV and ammunition supplier….
A conflict is brewing between Iran and Russia after the Russian Federation supported the UAE in a territorial dispute with Tehran.
Three islands: Abu Musa, Greater Tunb and Lesser Tunb have been controlled by Iran since 1971, but they are also claimed by the United Arab Emirates.
The Emirates recently renewed their claims to the territories, and this week Russia and the Gulf Arab states issued a joint statement calling for a diplomatic solution to the territorial dispute .
Instead, Iran declared that these islands "belong to it forever", and such statements contradict the friendly relations between Tehran and its neighbors.
Two days after the announcement of the statement, Tehran summoned the Russian ambassador, and Iranian officials called on the Russian Federation to correct its position on the territorial conflict.
Its mind boggling they managed to engineer a major dispute with the main UAV and ammunition supplier….
A conflict is brewing between Iran and Russia after the Russian Federation supported the UAE in a territorial dispute with Tehran.
Three islands: Abu Musa, Greater Tunb and Lesser Tunb have been controlled by Iran since 1971, but they are also claimed by the United Arab Emirates.
The Emirates recently renewed their claims to the territories, and this week Russia and the Gulf Arab states issued a joint statement calling for a diplomatic solution to the territorial dispute .
Instead, Iran declared that these islands "belong to it forever", and such statements contradict the friendly relations between Tehran and its neighbors.
Two days after the announcement of the statement, Tehran summoned the Russian ambassador, and Iranian officials called on the Russian Federation to correct its position on the territorial conflict.
The Rodneli projection of the front lines hasn't changed (they haven't issued a new update) for 9 days; this is the longest they have gone without a new update for the last year, no update means no change in the lines. Their written description of the state of affairs reflects the same:
Zaporizhzhia Area and Donbas Area – South
Heavy fighting continued in the area of Staromaiorske. Ukrainian forces renewed attacks on Urozhaine and on the front between Staromaiorske and Pryyutne. The latter village likely remained under the Russian control during the reported period. South and southeast of Hulyaipole fighting restarted after a long pause.
Very intense fighting continued near Robotyne. Ukrainians advance a little northeast of this village, and then repelled the subsequent Russian counterattacks.
Ukrainians continued attacks from Pyatykhatky toward Zherebyanky, without achieving major advance.
Svatove-Starobilsk Area and Donbas Area – North
Russians advanced west of Kreminna approaching the eastern outskirts of Torske. West of Kuzemivka, Russians continued to attack toward Novoselivske, possibly entering this village. Intense fighting there continued at the time of writing. In the north, fighting restarted near village Lyman Pershyi, without major territorial changes.
Donbas Area – Northeast
Heavy fighting continued in the Berkhivka-Yahidne area with the two sides exchanging attacks.
Ukrainians continued to push and gradually advance on the Klishchiivka-Andriivka-Kurdyumivka line, with Russians launching counterattacks. Fighting in this area remained very intense.
Donbas Area – Southeast
Fighting without major territorial changes occurred north of Avdiivka near Krasnohorivka, and southwest of it between Vodyane and Sjeverne.
South of Mar’inka, Ukrainians pushed Russians back a little.
Black Sea-Dnipro River Area
Russian efforts to eliminate the Ukrainian bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River near the Antonovskyi Bridge remained unsuccessful.
https://www.gfsis.org.ge/russian-monitor/view/3536
I sure hope Ukraine has something in the wings we haven't seen yet waiting to be unleashed.
Zaporizhzhia Area and Donbas Area – South
Heavy fighting continued in the area of Staromaiorske. Ukrainian forces renewed attacks on Urozhaine and on the front between Staromaiorske and Pryyutne. The latter village likely remained under the Russian control during the reported period. South and southeast of Hulyaipole fighting restarted after a long pause.
Very intense fighting continued near Robotyne. Ukrainians advance a little northeast of this village, and then repelled the subsequent Russian counterattacks.
Ukrainians continued attacks from Pyatykhatky toward Zherebyanky, without achieving major advance.
Svatove-Starobilsk Area and Donbas Area – North
Russians advanced west of Kreminna approaching the eastern outskirts of Torske. West of Kuzemivka, Russians continued to attack toward Novoselivske, possibly entering this village. Intense fighting there continued at the time of writing. In the north, fighting restarted near village Lyman Pershyi, without major territorial changes.
Donbas Area – Northeast
Heavy fighting continued in the Berkhivka-Yahidne area with the two sides exchanging attacks.
Ukrainians continued to push and gradually advance on the Klishchiivka-Andriivka-Kurdyumivka line, with Russians launching counterattacks. Fighting in this area remained very intense.
Donbas Area – Southeast
Fighting without major territorial changes occurred north of Avdiivka near Krasnohorivka, and southwest of it between Vodyane and Sjeverne.
South of Mar’inka, Ukrainians pushed Russians back a little.
Black Sea-Dnipro River Area
Russian efforts to eliminate the Ukrainian bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River near the Antonovskyi Bridge remained unsuccessful.
https://www.gfsis.org.ge/russian-monitor/view/3536
I sure hope Ukraine has something in the wings we haven't seen yet waiting to be unleashed.
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Some of you may remember the clip of this guy jumping off the back ramp of an AFV to help extract his wounded colleagues trapped in a minefield. Unfortunately, he landed straight on an anti-personnel mine and was then seen climbing back aboard, trailing blood and a severely mangled limb.
Some of you may remember the clip of this guy jumping off the back ramp of an AFV to help extract his wounded colleagues trapped in a minefield. Unfortunately, he landed straight on an anti-personnel mine and was then seen climbing back aboard, trailing blood and a severely mangled limb.
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Further to #2824…
Russia interrupted the supply of paid Su-35 fighters to Iran...
"Russia has not supplied Iran with a large batch of Su-35 fighter jets, which Tehran paid for in full and expected to receive in 2023" - writes Bourse & Bazaar & Bazaar.
According to them, Tehran ordered 50 fighter jets from Moscow during the second presidential term of Hassan Rouhani, which ended in 2021. Then Russia promised to fulfill the contract in 2023. Now, however, none of the sources among Iranian officials expect Moscow to keep its word.
Problems with the purchase of military equipment from Moscow became known from the statement of the commander of the Iranian Air Force, Brigadier General Vahedi. "As for the purchase of Su-35 fighter jets , we need them, but we don't know when they will arrive in our squadron"….
Russia interrupted the supply of paid Su-35 fighters to Iran...
"Russia has not supplied Iran with a large batch of Su-35 fighter jets, which Tehran paid for in full and expected to receive in 2023" - writes Bourse & Bazaar & Bazaar.
According to them, Tehran ordered 50 fighter jets from Moscow during the second presidential term of Hassan Rouhani, which ended in 2021. Then Russia promised to fulfill the contract in 2023. Now, however, none of the sources among Iranian officials expect Moscow to keep its word.
Problems with the purchase of military equipment from Moscow became known from the statement of the commander of the Iranian Air Force, Brigadier General Vahedi. "As for the purchase of Su-35 fighter jets , we need them, but we don't know when they will arrive in our squadron"….
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A Tor AD attempts to take down a Ukrainian drone
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Ukraine and Gripen….
On the sidelines of the NATO summit, Ukraine and Sweden signed agreements on the exchange of secret information and the supply of defense weapons. Euractiv writes that the first agreement will allow Ukraine to test Swedish JAS 39 Gripen fighters in the future.
On the sidelines of the NATO summit, Ukraine and Sweden signed agreements on the exchange of secret information and the supply of defense weapons. Euractiv writes that the first agreement will allow Ukraine to test Swedish JAS 39 Gripen fighters in the future.
A Tor AD attempts to take down a Ukrainian drone
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1679759090929598470
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A hit Bradley still operating, I wouldn’t fancy being in it though.
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Very good look at how the war Is progressing.
The Rodneli projection of the front lines hasn't changed (they haven't issued a new update) for 9 days; this is the longest they have gone without a new update for the last year, no update means no change in the lines. Their written description of the state of affairs reflects the same:
Zaporizhzhia Area and Donbas Area – South
Heavy fighting continued in the area of Staromaiorske. Ukrainian forces renewed attacks on Urozhaine and on the front between Staromaiorske and Pryyutne. The latter village likely remained under the Russian control during the reported period. South and southeast of Hulyaipole fighting restarted after a long pause.
Very intense fighting continued near Robotyne. Ukrainians advance a little northeast of this village, and then repelled the subsequent Russian counterattacks.
Ukrainians continued attacks from Pyatykhatky toward Zherebyanky, without achieving major advance.
Svatove-Starobilsk Area and Donbas Area – North
Russians advanced west of Kreminna approaching the eastern outskirts of Torske. West of Kuzemivka, Russians continued to attack toward Novoselivske, possibly entering this village. Intense fighting there continued at the time of writing. In the north, fighting restarted near village Lyman Pershyi, without major territorial changes.
Donbas Area – Northeast
Heavy fighting continued in the Berkhivka-Yahidne area with the two sides exchanging attacks.
Ukrainians continued to push and gradually advance on the Klishchiivka-Andriivka-Kurdyumivka line, with Russians launching counterattacks. Fighting in this area remained very intense.
Donbas Area – Southeast
Fighting without major territorial changes occurred north of Avdiivka near Krasnohorivka, and southwest of it between Vodyane and Sjeverne.
South of Mar’inka, Ukrainians pushed Russians back a little.
Black Sea-Dnipro River Area
Russian efforts to eliminate the Ukrainian bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River near the Antonovskyi Bridge remained unsuccessful.
https://www.gfsis.org.ge/russian-monitor/view/3536
I sure hope Ukraine has something in the wings we haven't seen yet waiting to be unleashed.
Zaporizhzhia Area and Donbas Area – South
Heavy fighting continued in the area of Staromaiorske. Ukrainian forces renewed attacks on Urozhaine and on the front between Staromaiorske and Pryyutne. The latter village likely remained under the Russian control during the reported period. South and southeast of Hulyaipole fighting restarted after a long pause.
Very intense fighting continued near Robotyne. Ukrainians advance a little northeast of this village, and then repelled the subsequent Russian counterattacks.
Ukrainians continued attacks from Pyatykhatky toward Zherebyanky, without achieving major advance.
Svatove-Starobilsk Area and Donbas Area – North
Russians advanced west of Kreminna approaching the eastern outskirts of Torske. West of Kuzemivka, Russians continued to attack toward Novoselivske, possibly entering this village. Intense fighting there continued at the time of writing. In the north, fighting restarted near village Lyman Pershyi, without major territorial changes.
Donbas Area – Northeast
Heavy fighting continued in the Berkhivka-Yahidne area with the two sides exchanging attacks.
Ukrainians continued to push and gradually advance on the Klishchiivka-Andriivka-Kurdyumivka line, with Russians launching counterattacks. Fighting in this area remained very intense.
Donbas Area – Southeast
Fighting without major territorial changes occurred north of Avdiivka near Krasnohorivka, and southwest of it between Vodyane and Sjeverne.
South of Mar’inka, Ukrainians pushed Russians back a little.
Black Sea-Dnipro River Area
Russian efforts to eliminate the Ukrainian bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River near the Antonovskyi Bridge remained unsuccessful.
https://www.gfsis.org.ge/russian-monitor/view/3536
I sure hope Ukraine has something in the wings we haven't seen yet waiting to be unleashed.
Ukraine is still in dire needs of arti shells. Cluster munition is a stop gap measure until the West is able to provide more, a lot more arti shells.
Then there are the extensive mine fields. RU had over a year to dig in in the South.
Don't underestimate RU. You know the quantity vs quality saying.
It's frustrating. I wish there would be a coherent support. Not this piece meal fragmentation.
Even if one assumes Putin is replaced, there is no guarantee RU will change its mind. RU is too heavily invested to accept defeat any time soon.
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For all their public comments, the US is still deliberately stalling….
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ining-00106433
Europe still waiting on U.S. to formally approve F-16 training
Nearly a dozen European countries that pledged this week to train Ukrainian pilots are still waiting on the U.S. to formally approve the program before instruction on American F-16 fighter jets can begin, according to U.S. and European officials involved in the discussions….
But instruction on F-16s can’t actually start until the State Department formally signs off on the request to transfer instruction manuals, flight simulators and other materials associated with the jets — and that hasn’t happened yet.
While President Joe Biden has promised to green-light the program, the formal request “is still being reviewed,” said Lt. Col. Garron Garn, a Pentagon spokesperson, who deferred further questions to the State Department. A State Department spokesperson declined to comment.….
With any export or training package, the Pentagon has to “make sure we’re ready to go with the technical manuals being translated and the tech data packages and a sustainment plan,” in place before officials will sign off on a transfer, Pentagon acquisition chief William LaPlante told POLITICO in an interview.…
But U.S. officials are not telegraphing a sense of urgency. A top Pentagon official, Joint Staff director of operations Lt. Gen. Douglas Sims, told reporters Thursday that the situation on the frontlines in Ukraine is currently “not ideal” for the use of F-16s.
“The Russians still possess some air defense capability. They have air capability. And the number of F-16s that would be provided may not be perfect for what’s going on right now,” Sims said. “As the future changes, that certainly will dictate how that is employed.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ining-00106433
Europe still waiting on U.S. to formally approve F-16 training
Nearly a dozen European countries that pledged this week to train Ukrainian pilots are still waiting on the U.S. to formally approve the program before instruction on American F-16 fighter jets can begin, according to U.S. and European officials involved in the discussions….
But instruction on F-16s can’t actually start until the State Department formally signs off on the request to transfer instruction manuals, flight simulators and other materials associated with the jets — and that hasn’t happened yet.
While President Joe Biden has promised to green-light the program, the formal request “is still being reviewed,” said Lt. Col. Garron Garn, a Pentagon spokesperson, who deferred further questions to the State Department. A State Department spokesperson declined to comment.….
With any export or training package, the Pentagon has to “make sure we’re ready to go with the technical manuals being translated and the tech data packages and a sustainment plan,” in place before officials will sign off on a transfer, Pentagon acquisition chief William LaPlante told POLITICO in an interview.…
But U.S. officials are not telegraphing a sense of urgency. A top Pentagon official, Joint Staff director of operations Lt. Gen. Douglas Sims, told reporters Thursday that the situation on the frontlines in Ukraine is currently “not ideal” for the use of F-16s.
“The Russians still possess some air defense capability. They have air capability. And the number of F-16s that would be provided may not be perfect for what’s going on right now,” Sims said. “As the future changes, that certainly will dictate how that is employed.”
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Arms sales - tanks, MLRS?
"South Korean President Yoon Seok-Yeol arrived in Ukraine on an unannounced visit", - Yonhap
Welcome to Ukraine 🇺🇦🇰🇷
"South Korean President Yoon Seok-Yeol arrived in Ukraine on an unannounced visit", - Yonhap
Welcome to Ukraine 🇺🇦🇰🇷
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Gr8nding them down…..
Girkin says Ukraine has a chance to break through the occupiers' defence in Zaporizhzhia due to a lack of equipped and trained reserves for Russia. He revealed this in an hour-long livestream. The excerpt from a 10-minute intro is below, while the 2-minute video is a short snippet from it.
"The summer battle continues where the enemy is now not trying to break through but push through our frontline and “starve it out”.
The enemy continues applying main efforts in the Zaporizhzhia frontline, and the second area where he is transferring reserves, including those previously unused, is Bakhmut. The enemy is trying to achieve a result wherever possible, without abandoning the plans to break the Zaporizhzhia front.
After failures of attacks using concentrated columns, since columns like that ended up vulnerable to our artillery and aviation, the enemy moved to the tactic of a complete mixing with the ground of our units facing him. The enemy has a lot of shells, he’s not counting high-precision missiles.
Due to this, the enemy is trying to destroy, and completely knock out the units facing him in battle. The enemy is trying to avoid mass attacks as he made sure that breakthrough doesn’t depend on the number of vehicles, whether 4 or 40, thrown into battle, only the number of burned vehicles does.
Thus, offensive actions are led by fairly small assault groups with the support of several armoured vehicles, and all weapon systems used to destroy them are located by all types of enemy reconnaissances and then struck with artillery and high-precision missiles.
[…]
The enemy has the ability to withdraw weathered formations for rest and bring up fresh ones to continue the battle. But we have the same units fighting on the front - yes, they fight in defence, but the commanders who are continuously taking part in combat don’t feel much better from this.
It is a similar situation that led to the dismissal of the commander of the 58th Army, General Popov, who put forward an issue that existing personnel and equipment are not enough to carry out the rotation and give the troops at least some semblance of rest. And there are no reserves to bring them to a fully capable state.
[...]
I will not be revealing a military secret - the enemy knows the situation very well, unfortunately. But even in the secondary directions, the staffing of our forces again does not exceed 70%. In areas of the most fierce battles, it is significantly less.
Of course, it does not compare to the situation at the end of last summer/early autumn, when 20% staffing of units was considered normal, but our forces are taking losses continuously, while the stream of reinforcements and reservists from the rear has died down.
This means that if urgent measures are not taken, the enemy, unfortunately, has a chance to gnaw through our defence in Zaporizhzhia. And it will be then very difficult to stop him, and no Surovikin’s line which is still in a pretty deep rear will stop the enemy if it’s not taken by trained, properly equipped, and experienced troops.
If these troops die in the field, there will be no one to stop the enemy. This is the main question now: will the enemy be able to gnaw through our defence in 2-3 weeks, exchanging his soldiers for ours, or not, and will exhaust himself earlier.
[…]
We’re observing. Unfortuantely, we as the Angry Patriots’ Club are unable to do anything in this situation. Moreover, I understand the emotions of our Head of General Staff, the commander of the operation Gerasimov, when “some” army commander makes demands about the rotation of units.
Gerasimov does not have prepared and equipped reserves. Simply does not. All he has is already on the frontline, at the very least in tactical reserves. Transferring from other areas means weakening them. But transferring poorly trained mobilised units who are, let’s say, covering the “old regions” of Russia, is not a solution. These units have no experience, no vehicles, no good commanders, they will be simply smashed by the enemy and no one will be able to do anything about it.""
Girkin says Ukraine has a chance to break through the occupiers' defence in Zaporizhzhia due to a lack of equipped and trained reserves for Russia. He revealed this in an hour-long livestream. The excerpt from a 10-minute intro is below, while the 2-minute video is a short snippet from it.
"The summer battle continues where the enemy is now not trying to break through but push through our frontline and “starve it out”.
The enemy continues applying main efforts in the Zaporizhzhia frontline, and the second area where he is transferring reserves, including those previously unused, is Bakhmut. The enemy is trying to achieve a result wherever possible, without abandoning the plans to break the Zaporizhzhia front.
After failures of attacks using concentrated columns, since columns like that ended up vulnerable to our artillery and aviation, the enemy moved to the tactic of a complete mixing with the ground of our units facing him. The enemy has a lot of shells, he’s not counting high-precision missiles.
Due to this, the enemy is trying to destroy, and completely knock out the units facing him in battle. The enemy is trying to avoid mass attacks as he made sure that breakthrough doesn’t depend on the number of vehicles, whether 4 or 40, thrown into battle, only the number of burned vehicles does.
Thus, offensive actions are led by fairly small assault groups with the support of several armoured vehicles, and all weapon systems used to destroy them are located by all types of enemy reconnaissances and then struck with artillery and high-precision missiles.
[…]
The enemy has the ability to withdraw weathered formations for rest and bring up fresh ones to continue the battle. But we have the same units fighting on the front - yes, they fight in defence, but the commanders who are continuously taking part in combat don’t feel much better from this.
It is a similar situation that led to the dismissal of the commander of the 58th Army, General Popov, who put forward an issue that existing personnel and equipment are not enough to carry out the rotation and give the troops at least some semblance of rest. And there are no reserves to bring them to a fully capable state.
[...]
I will not be revealing a military secret - the enemy knows the situation very well, unfortunately. But even in the secondary directions, the staffing of our forces again does not exceed 70%. In areas of the most fierce battles, it is significantly less.
Of course, it does not compare to the situation at the end of last summer/early autumn, when 20% staffing of units was considered normal, but our forces are taking losses continuously, while the stream of reinforcements and reservists from the rear has died down.
This means that if urgent measures are not taken, the enemy, unfortunately, has a chance to gnaw through our defence in Zaporizhzhia. And it will be then very difficult to stop him, and no Surovikin’s line which is still in a pretty deep rear will stop the enemy if it’s not taken by trained, properly equipped, and experienced troops.
If these troops die in the field, there will be no one to stop the enemy. This is the main question now: will the enemy be able to gnaw through our defence in 2-3 weeks, exchanging his soldiers for ours, or not, and will exhaust himself earlier.
[…]
We’re observing. Unfortuantely, we as the Angry Patriots’ Club are unable to do anything in this situation. Moreover, I understand the emotions of our Head of General Staff, the commander of the operation Gerasimov, when “some” army commander makes demands about the rotation of units.
Gerasimov does not have prepared and equipped reserves. Simply does not. All he has is already on the frontline, at the very least in tactical reserves. Transferring from other areas means weakening them. But transferring poorly trained mobilised units who are, let’s say, covering the “old regions” of Russia, is not a solution. These units have no experience, no vehicles, no good commanders, they will be simply smashed by the enemy and no one will be able to do anything about it.""