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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 15th Oct 2022, 15:00
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Good article.

https://cepa.org/article/whisper-it-...iscuss-defeat/

Whisper it — Russia Begins to Discuss Defeat
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 16:42
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I asked the question a while back, are there any separatist left fighting and it seems there is. Apparently they have been complaining to the russian high command that the wagner group of soldier have been raping their wives and daughters, sorta puts them between a rock and a hard place, vilified by both sides, should be interesting when those two groups of soldiers come face to face.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 17:40
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Russian student pilots and instructors will need to introduce a new ejection procedure.

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Old 15th Oct 2022, 18:05
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That will be interesting as they are side opening canopies, I liked the seats on them as they also had an electrical kill switch in the nose bay. I worked on the first couple to come into the U.K.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Winemaker
I am having great difficulty in understanding what tactical or strategic purpose sending cannon fodder to die serves. What is the purpose of killing your own citizens like this? This can only, finally, stir up opposition to the war.
During the last war Russia would throw more troops than the enemy could kill forward thus meaning they could advance as they would overwhelm the best fortified positions…. It reminds me of that doctrine… overcome by sheer numbers, luckily the world has moved on from that and they are paying the consequences.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Russian student pilots and instructors will need to introduce a new ejection procedure.
" The Czechs, of course, will not sell them to us"
I wonder how often that phrase (insert country of choice) is being used across Russia.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 18:53
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If true Russia is screwed..

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Old 15th Oct 2022, 18:53
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The canopy will lift off,by the airflow, if the `unlock` lever is at `unlock.....
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More problems for mobilisation..

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Old 15th Oct 2022, 20:41
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Russian student pilots and instructors will need to introduce a new ejection procedure.



https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status...YGUFuJ6p7iIczg
Interesting. Is there a procedure to abandon a modern jet fighter in the event of ejection failure?
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 20:48
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Probably untrue, in this case at least; the image dates back to not long after the start of the invasion. Or might well be true, but this isn't evidence of it.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 20:57
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"The hell with it … even though Starlink is still losing money & other companies are getting billions of taxpayer $, we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free"



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Old 15th Oct 2022, 21:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
More problems for mobilisation..
Ones mans terrorist is another mans pissed of conscript from a former USSR state

Apparently Tajiks who have been pressganged into service with the russian army

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Old 15th Oct 2022, 21:18
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1917

Nutlooses latest posts of the surrender of a unit after winning the persuasive argument with their officer(s), in theatre, and the Tajikis response on a religious discussion in Belgorod are qualitatively different to the 1917 series of mutinies, but are a good start. Belgorod appears to be a learning point on respect to another's religion, and could be the last Tajiks demanded, or permitted to be part of Vlad's show. The prez of Tajik has his leverage now to get a bit more respect from Vlad. Apart from removing ammo, and underwear, both items that are problematic to offensive or defensive ops, Vlad is left with choices that he cannot choose. There is no way Vlad starts treating recruits with any level of decency, it's not in his nature. Throwing untrained and unwilling troops into a meatgrinder to satisfy the ego of the Dear Leader with the predictable outcome of immediate mass casualties is solved by withdrawal to recombine, but there is no distinction now between a regroup and a rout.

Vlad has the additional problem that his troops are inadequate to hold a geographic area, and that is going to take more and more manpower, the "volunteers" of LPR/DPR are not going to be remaining Russophile when they were coerced into being part of this war and while at the front, other troops of Russia have been winning hearts and minds by rape and murder of their families at home. What the impressed LPR/DNR troops options are seems limited. Supporting Russia brought disaster to their own families, from the Russians. Do they join Ukraine against Russia now? That seems an odd outcome. Their options appear bleak to any real desire to be an autonomous region.

Vlad's increasing problems on his friends borders and inside his paradise looks more and more like a least cost case being a withdrawal even where only pre 2014 lines will be accepted for now, that is still better than Vlad going from Russian Federation president to Moscow Mayor; a breakup of the union due to the actions of Vlad is not going to include Vlad as part of the solution. Withdrawal and retirement in Soichi is the least risk of window diving that Vlad has, and surely seems the optimal outcome for Russia.

Vlad has played the Nuke threat, and predictably, the response to that threat is blunt and unattractive, caving in to such threats guarantees more threats.

1917 started in France, with the abuse of Russian troops by their quartermasters, and erupted over in the eastern front rapidly. The mutinies were in the field, Today, Vlad has resistance in the field and now n the home front from his lies. 1917 was simply abuse, Vlad adds lies and deception, his problems are bigger than Nikkies were.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 21:27
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I am actually surprised that there have not been a lot more reports of Russians fragging their officers. Given the reported conditions - lack of pay, lack of equipment and training, orders to charge into prepared Ukranian positions - I would have expected many more incidents.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 22:00
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Interesting. Is there a procedure to abandon a modern jet fighter in the event of ejection failure?
No. Can't be done at the speeds involved. The pilot would be pinned immovably against the structure or be flung into the tail surfaces with fatal results. This was often the reality pre ejection seats in WW2 at piston engine sppeds.
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 23:02
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
No. Can't be done at the speeds involved. The pilot would be pinned immovably against the structure or be flung into the tail surfaces with fatal results. This was often the reality pre ejection seats in WW2 at piston engine sppeds.
Not sure I agree with that, I have flown a number of aircraft with inerted seats, and the majority of them will permit abandoning, although gotta say, it is a briefing item before doing any flight as to the correct way to bail out, when you have the original harness attached to the parachute... "manual seat separation lever....manual seat separation lever.... don't twist the harness release.... etc. ). The operational risk goes up with the wing sweep more or less, well, stall speed.... flying a delta with an inert seat comes with substantial risk, earlier wings, tolerable, and planes like the L-39, 29, SOG2, MB-326, BAC-167, Iskra, Magister, they are pretty capable. The straight wing jets are no harder to egress than a T-28 or Mustang. The good news is that the problem doesn't arise often, the P-51 midair being one of the few cases recently.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 02:51
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They are now blaming the Ukrainians for their failed missile launch in Belogrod and are getting complaints about mobilising chronic alcoholics.

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Old 16th Oct 2022, 02:53
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Originally Posted by sycamore
The canopy will lift off,by the airflow, if the `unlock` lever is at `unlock.....
Are you sure?, it opens like a Hawks and again uses a cart to get rid of it.

The openable parts of the canopy are equipped with emergency pyrotechnical jettison system which provides emergency canopy jettison without ejecting and canopy jettison followed by ejection. To jettison canopy without ejecting is necessary to deflect handle, located on the right side of both cockpits, downward. Locks will be opened and openable parts of the canopy detach from the cockpit. Canopy jettison followed by ejection can be done by pulling double handle on the ejection seat.
later ones may have a one piece conventional canopy but the others are like this.




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Old 16th Oct 2022, 03:11
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Are you sure?, it opens like a Hawks and again uses a cart to get rid of it.
L-39 canopies will come off all by themselves if you open them incorrectly, they are a very simple mechanical release. Not as simple and elegant as the Soko's canopy which was just neat.

They are routinely flown with cold seats.
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