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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 20th Jul 2022, 15:02
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
The attack on the radar system is interesting as it was reportedly some 60km behind the line of contact, suggesting longer range precision MRLS rockets are now in play. The radar in question was presumably deployed here to protect the Kherson supply routes, also possibly the western approaches to Crimea and Sevastopol.

Both this attack and the attack on the bridge in near Kherson are a statement of intent by Ukraine. The population of Crimea must be getting more than a little nervous...
I suspect the REAL population of Crimea will be looking with expectation for the arrival of FREEDOM, after 8 years of oppression.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 15:28
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Update from Weapons Tracker

The destroyed radar was located in the village of Lazurne on the Black Sea coast (46.06741, 32.54054), not in Nova Kakhovka. Presumably it was destroyed two days ago, but the photo appeared only now. And apologies, the second photo is from other shelling in Kherson Oblast.
A bit more on the location

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Old 20th Jul 2022, 19:01
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Vitriolic to say the least….

Igor Girkin responds to questions as to why is he so critical towards the Russian Minister of Defence Sergey Shoygu who is claimed to not be responsible for the current Russia’s failure in its war with Ukraine.

https://wartranslated.com/igor-girki...efence-shoygu/
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 19:11
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Russi has sent into battle a substantial contingent from its 18th Machine Gun & Artillery Division, a formation uniquely charged with defending the Kurile islands from Japan.

Not only more evidence of manpower shortages, but yet again weakening their flanks - Japan has always expressed a desire to reclaim the islands….

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebasti...on-to-ukraine/

Russia Sends Pacific Island ‘Machine Gun Artillery Division’ To Ukraine
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 19:26
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
More like 80km.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 19:50
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HIMARS accuracy..






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Old 20th Jul 2022, 19:52
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Originally Posted by rattman
Polands dropping the $$$$$$, just announced 180 K2 MBT, 48 KA50 light fighters and 400 + assorted AFV including k-9's and K124's
500 K2"s ?

The proposal last year was a comprehensive industrial cooperation to help Korea break into the EU market.

Everything including shipbuilding.

This came after Germany and France rejected Polands request to participate in the development of a new tank.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 20:20
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Originally Posted by ORAC
HIMARS accuracy..





its what you want, I noticed it was the over land section too, thus enabling easier repair. Damage it sufficiently so heavy supplies or tanks can’t get in, nor escape, thus preventing serious resupply but allowing the Russians to flee leaving behind their heavy equipment.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 20:25
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Originally Posted by peter we
500 K2"s ?
The proposal last year was a comprehensive industrial cooperation to help Korea break into the EU market.
Everything including shipbuilding.
This came after Germany and France rejected Polands request to participate in the development of a new tank.
Funny you mentioned this, in a defense/policy newsletter I skimmed over the weekend, they mentioned South Korea's growing presence in the international arms market, to include the Poland deal.
(IIRC, there is a helicopter they build under license, maybe a derivative of 225 / Puma? Checking... OK, KUH-1, derivative of Super Puma).
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 20:25
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[QUOTE=NutLoose;11264771]Update from Weapons Tracker

Not an expert on super tech radars ...so was wondering would that circular screen image I see on Telly scream EEK!!! before self emolliating ?
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 20:38
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I don't have links but have read a few posts/articles on the tactical use of HIMARS. A couple of things gleaned:

1. Russian air defence systems struggle to identify the missile because of its trajectory which is not recognised by their software. If this is the case it may explain some of the red on red incidents where operators are having to make almost instantaneous decisions with incomplete information.

2. The Ukrainians are, it is thought, launching a bunch of Grad salvos at the intended target. Russian response is to intercept using S300 or S400 to intercept. At which point the Ukrainians launch a salvo of HIMARS.

No idea of the actual truth but it does seem plausible.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 20:54
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Originally Posted by peter we
500 K2"s ?

The proposal last year was a comprehensive industrial cooperation to help Korea break into the EU market.

Everything including shipbuilding.

This came after Germany and France rejected Polands request to participate in the development of a new tank.
Yeah 180 k2's for 2024 delivery and then another possible 400 K2 for 2030 delivery, I been saying for a while South korea is going to start eating the lunch of a european suppliers in what ever catagory they compete in, but even I have been surprised how fast they been expanding
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 21:10
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Originally Posted by rattman
Yeah 180 k2's for 2024 delivery and then another possible 400 K2 for 2030 delivery, I been saying for a while South korea is going to start eating the lunch of a european suppliers in what ever catagory they compete in, but even I have been surprised how fast they been expanding
Logical to have an alternative manufacturing site out of the range of North Korean and to provide support for Europe.
Poland already have the capability to manufacture the K9 chassis, xray for vehicle weld checking and barrels up yo 155mm.

Both countries face similar threats.

There is the possibility of thousands of units of Korean armour making its way to Ukraine, which is in Polands direct benifit.

Biggest market for Tanks and helicopters in Europe and nothing bought from France and Germany (except the Leopard tank upgrade farce). Uk getting some love with the Brimstone, Frigate and Camm/Sky Sabre
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Originally Posted by peter we
Logical to have an alternative manufacturing site out of the range of North Korean and to provide support for Europe.
Poland already have the capability to manufacture the K9 chassis, xray for vehicle weld checking and barrels up yo 155mm.

Both countries face similar threats.

There is the possibility of thousands of units of Korean armour making its way to Ukraine, which is in Polands direct benifit.

Biggest market for Tanks and helicopters in Europe and nothing bought from France and Germany (except the Leopard tank upgrade farce). Uk getting some love with the Brimstone, Frigate and Camm/Sky Sabre

I think atm the k-9 chassis are imported and modified. Poland requested to be allowed in the a European MBT program and were rejected so think the leopard upgrade is now a no go, Bettig the leopard upgrade will be cancelled and the a K2's will 1 for 1 replace the leopard, leaving them with abrams and K2's

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Old 20th Jul 2022, 21:52
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Man wondering what that noise was, just a million fanboys beating off at the same time


Asked if the US could give the A-10s to Ukraine, the @usairforce Secretary Frank Kendall tells #AspenSecurity it is largely up to Kyiv and its needs: “We will be open to discussions with them on what their requirements are and how we might be able to satisfy them”
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 21:59
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https://wartranslated.com/russian-mi...-near-kherson/

Russian military experts reacting to the Antonovsky Bridge attack near Kherson


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Old 20th Jul 2022, 22:15
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Nice telemetry

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Old 21st Jul 2022, 02:15
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The link in post 7197 has some guy proposing covering the bridge with 15 cm thick steel slabs. That might just take down the bridge with gravity​​​​​​
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 09:02
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If the US provides A10's won't they also need to supply more fighters?
A10 cannot survive without air superiority. It makes sense to supply more fighters to attrit the enemy air defences forced to engage the A10's.
The A10 won't survive alone.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 09:04
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Would have made more sense to target both. First the mobile tank and second the stationary one. Two for the price of one?
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