Tornado F2
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All good stuff, but how capable was the airframe to get the missiles into suitable envelopes to fire?
I heard at the time that when the MiG29s first visted Farnborough in 1988, the F3 escorts struggled to keep up with them!
I heard at the time that when the MiG29s first visted Farnborough in 1988, the F3 escorts struggled to keep up with them!
No they didn't!
I flew the VC10K with the press party (AP, ITV, BBC, TASS, AvWeek, Flight etc.) on that trip; one problem was that the F3 outfit had an extra jet which they positioned between the VC10K and the MiG 29s, which was an infernal nuisance. After we met them over the North Sea, all went fine until the descent through the Daventry sector, when ATC weren't very helpful. We had to leave the formation and rejoin below cloud, by which time the F3s were doing their own thing contrary to the brief.
But the journos got their shots for rhe magazines and the video went out on the evening news!
I flew the VC10K with the press party (AP, ITV, BBC, TASS, AvWeek, Flight etc.) on that trip; one problem was that the F3 outfit had an extra jet which they positioned between the VC10K and the MiG 29s, which was an infernal nuisance. After we met them over the North Sea, all went fine until the descent through the Daventry sector, when ATC weren't very helpful. We had to leave the formation and rejoin below cloud, by which time the F3s were doing their own thing contrary to the brief.
But the journos got their shots for rhe magazines and the video went out on the evening news!
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Yes! As per my previous post.
You are of course correct that Blue Spruce isn’t in the NATS, my poorly written post, but it is detailed within NAT Doc 007 which is what I was trying to point out. There is not much chance of an F3 flying at FL285+ in the cruise in Ferry Fit, hence it would have been below the NAT tracks. I suspect it cruised between FL150 and FL200 for most of the transit in that fit. Even clean, ie. with no tanks, the aircraft didn’t like cruising above FL330, but it could get above FL500 (allegedly 
) if you were doing M1.2+. But then you would be in min reheat and so you wouldn’t be up there for too long!
Did the F3 have the capability of an unrefuelled transatlntic crossing?
A Tornado F3, ZE155, flew unrefuelled in ferry fit non-stop across the Atlantic from Goose Bay to Warton on 24 Sep 1987. It was the first RAF fighter aircraft to do so without air-to-air refuelling. The flight took 4 hours 45 minutes.
) if you were doing M1.2+. But then you would be in min reheat and so you wouldn’t be up there for too long!
It seems that somebody still loves the F2. According to a recent news item, Jared Isaacman of Draken International has bought an F2 (belived to be ZD902) and shipped it to the USA for restoration to flight.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Expensive hobby. I presume there is a source for RB-199s and their overhaul - and they’re the later crystal blade marks and not those needing overhaul every 100 hours….
It seems that somebody still loves the F2. According to a recent news item, Jared Isaacman of Draken International has bought an F2 (belived to be ZD902) and shipped it to the USA for restoration to flight.
I would guess that he could probably pick up enough zero or low time RB's from Germany/Italy/Middle East to put into storage, as those nations look to retire the Tornado in coming years, that with his low projected hours usage, would seem him through a couple of decades of use without need for getting overhauls?
He will never get it off the ground, it is missing all the important bits!
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I wonder if he got specialist modular tooling required for once down into the HP compressor stages needed for overhaul or maintenance activity, these are not available outside of Rolls Royce. Seats, he’ll get pyro from Tara Aerospace or somewhere similar. There will need to be a significant amount of rework as as is the jet had many of the switches relocated to the rear cockpit.
I wonder if he got specialist modular tooling required for once down into the HP compressor stages needed for overhaul or maintenance activity, these are not available outside of Rolls Royce. Seats, he’ll get pyro from Tara Aerospace or somewhere similar. There will need to be a significant amount of rework as as is the jet had many of the switches relocated to the rear cockpit.
There was an XG20 development programme that demonstrated an increase thrust of 20%.
And even after GW1, where the RAF had loaned 62B LP compressor modules from the German AF Mk105 engines to add about 3kn extra thrust to the F3 engines, they decided not to procure the 62B Fan and returned them to the German AF.
The German AF had bought the 62B Fan for their ECR fleet and traded the extra performance for life increase.
