Stolen Valor.....and Wanna Be's
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Here is a picture with him wearing most of them.
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Another good picture
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Another good picture
http://resources3.news.com.au/images...eith-payne.jpg
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How many ribbons in a row?
Well it depends on your Service (and how big your chest is).
Trivia warning.
The Army's new guidance permits rows of 5 if they chest pocket is wide enough to accommodate them.
The RAF still has rows of 4 with only 1 incomplete row permitted (ie 5 ribbons = one row of 4 and one row of one - not one of 3 and one of 2 etc).
Both Services' regulations detail a requirement for a small gap between rows (3mm for the RAF); however, tailors don't seem to do this anymore.
Other slight differences between Army and RAF regs on medals is in the mounting of full size with the RAF limiting the width of the brooch to 5 (so 6 or more medals overlap) whereas the Army is more flexible depending (again) on the size of the individual's chest.
I'm afraid I don't know about the Senior Service as this enhanced level of trivial knowledge was only achieved when I had to help a major in my last HQ find the Army regs.
Trivia warning.
The Army's new guidance permits rows of 5 if they chest pocket is wide enough to accommodate them.
The RAF still has rows of 4 with only 1 incomplete row permitted (ie 5 ribbons = one row of 4 and one row of one - not one of 3 and one of 2 etc).
Both Services' regulations detail a requirement for a small gap between rows (3mm for the RAF); however, tailors don't seem to do this anymore.
Other slight differences between Army and RAF regs on medals is in the mounting of full size with the RAF limiting the width of the brooch to 5 (so 6 or more medals overlap) whereas the Army is more flexible depending (again) on the size of the individual's chest.
I'm afraid I don't know about the Senior Service as this enhanced level of trivial knowledge was only achieved when I had to help a major in my last HQ find the Army regs.
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Climebear,
Thanks for all your info. A few years ago I was serving a 6 month sentence in Aldershot when another medal turned up. I took the lot to Glover & Rider who mounted them (very nicely, to) and did the 3+2 ribbons on my tunic. I subsequently attended the opening of the NZ memorial at Hyde Park corner and at the after-match I was cornered by a Sqn Ldr (solo QGJM) who promptly corrected me about my ribbons.
Fast forward 6 years. A colleague very kindly agreed to drop off my no 1 and tropical tunic to the Regimental 'Master Stitch' to be re-ribboned and to have the QDJM and a Commonwealth medal added to the lot. I received a note back stating the tailor was unable to mount the Commonwealth medal 'without appropriate documentation'. I faxed him a letter from DS Second confirming that the Royal Warrant was, indeed, valid in the UK. I'm waiting for this lot to return (and interested to see if the medals are overlapped now (8). Apparently there's been concern about soldiers, in particular, wearing unauthorised US medals given to them in Iraq and AFG. (Like colleagues, I have the US Afghanistan Campaign medal, but it sits in the draw with my cuff links and Mess kit watch and chain).
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Thanks for all your info. A few years ago I was serving a 6 month sentence in Aldershot when another medal turned up. I took the lot to Glover & Rider who mounted them (very nicely, to) and did the 3+2 ribbons on my tunic. I subsequently attended the opening of the NZ memorial at Hyde Park corner and at the after-match I was cornered by a Sqn Ldr (solo QGJM) who promptly corrected me about my ribbons.
Fast forward 6 years. A colleague very kindly agreed to drop off my no 1 and tropical tunic to the Regimental 'Master Stitch' to be re-ribboned and to have the QDJM and a Commonwealth medal added to the lot. I received a note back stating the tailor was unable to mount the Commonwealth medal 'without appropriate documentation'. I faxed him a letter from DS Second confirming that the Royal Warrant was, indeed, valid in the UK. I'm waiting for this lot to return (and interested to see if the medals are overlapped now (8). Apparently there's been concern about soldiers, in particular, wearing unauthorised US medals given to them in Iraq and AFG. (Like colleagues, I have the US Afghanistan Campaign medal, but it sits in the draw with my cuff links and Mess kit watch and chain).
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Whenurhappy - if I've added up correctly you now have seven medals, so they should certainly be overlapped - the rule is side by side up to five, then start to overlap. Keith Payne's medals would be unwearable in that form, but take a look at Lord Mountbatten's group, I can't quite add up the total but he certainly had over twenty.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_1459014c.jpg
TTN (GSM 1962 and, err, that's it!)
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_1459014c.jpg
TTN (GSM 1962 and, err, that's it!)
TTN,
Another one popped up in between my Purgatory in Aldershot and the presentation of the QDJM. By a Maj Gen with 14 medals (incidentally the only medal ever presented and not picked up in Gen Office or arrived in the post) so it's 8! Incidentally, when are miniatures overlapped?
On a related issue, I was shocked when a family friend - an avid medal collector - looked at my rack (!) of unremarkable round medals and then suggested what the market value was - especially when accompanied with provenance materials (photos, log books*, certificates etc). I have no intentions to sell them but those still serving and those who have left the Service might want to consider secure storage and insurance! I think I've reported previously that I had my medals and credit cards snatched in the GOM in Aldershot 6 years ago; RMPs investigated and the medals and cards were returned.
*my last entry was 22 years ago before I was, um rebranched!
Another one popped up in between my Purgatory in Aldershot and the presentation of the QDJM. By a Maj Gen with 14 medals (incidentally the only medal ever presented and not picked up in Gen Office or arrived in the post) so it's 8! Incidentally, when are miniatures overlapped?
On a related issue, I was shocked when a family friend - an avid medal collector - looked at my rack (!) of unremarkable round medals and then suggested what the market value was - especially when accompanied with provenance materials (photos, log books*, certificates etc). I have no intentions to sell them but those still serving and those who have left the Service might want to consider secure storage and insurance! I think I've reported previously that I had my medals and credit cards snatched in the GOM in Aldershot 6 years ago; RMPs investigated and the medals and cards were returned.
*my last entry was 22 years ago before I was, um rebranched!
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I don't think they will be breaking in anytime soon to steal my solitary GSM, and my VC, GC, DFC, AFC and Bars attached to it are all fakes 
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Sitigeltfel,
I believe your photo of the bemedalled Chinese fully vindicates the invention of the ankle length overcoat, to cater for those with much longer service and achievements.
I believe your photo of the bemedalled Chinese fully vindicates the invention of the ankle length overcoat, to cater for those with much longer service and achievements.
whenurhappy - first point - I'm pretty sure up to 8 miniatures can be mounted side by side, but I would stand corrected if it's only seven. A half decent military tailor should know.
Second point - value. It can come as a surprise that a WW2 group of say 6 stars and medals might be worth less than £100, whereas it doesn't take much for a modern group of similar size to be worth in the thousands. As an example, a chum I know was a tanker pilot who got the South Atlantic medal, Gulf War One and the GSM with Air Ops Iraq clasp. Those three alone named to RAF aircrew would add up to £1,500 at least. NATO and UN medals, being unnamed, don't add much in the way of monetary value, but the more scarcely awarded 1977 Silver Jubilee Medal can add around £150. If you've got a few medals it's definitely worth having them professionally valued and added to your insurance as a separate item in the same way you might add an expensive watch or piece of jewellery.
Haraka - you're from Northern Ireland?
Second point - value. It can come as a surprise that a WW2 group of say 6 stars and medals might be worth less than £100, whereas it doesn't take much for a modern group of similar size to be worth in the thousands. As an example, a chum I know was a tanker pilot who got the South Atlantic medal, Gulf War One and the GSM with Air Ops Iraq clasp. Those three alone named to RAF aircrew would add up to £1,500 at least. NATO and UN medals, being unnamed, don't add much in the way of monetary value, but the more scarcely awarded 1977 Silver Jubilee Medal can add around £150. If you've got a few medals it's definitely worth having them professionally valued and added to your insurance as a separate item in the same way you might add an expensive watch or piece of jewellery.
Haraka - you're from Northern Ireland?
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I posted this on the Vets should be awarded the Jubilee Medal....... about the value of medals.
Well...as a guide, and depending on your view, if you can put a value on your medals....
GSM 62
£60-85 NI Clasp
£170-0225 Dhofar Clasp
£400-450 Kuwait Clasp
£350-450 N Iraq & S Turkey Clasp
£350-450 Air Ops Iraq
OSM
£400-500 RAF
ACSM
£300-400
Rhodesia Medal
£350-450
South Atlantic
£500-600 RAF (with rosette)
£350-450 RAF (without)
Gulf Medal
£250-350 (with clasp)
£175-250(without)
Saudi Arabian
£20
Kuwaiti
£20-30 (third and fourth class)
Iraq Medal
£300-350 (With clasp)
£125-175 (without)
NATO service medals
£12-15
RAF LS&GC
£50-60
Silver Jubilee
£160-185
Golden
£70-80
(Prices from the Medal Yearbook 2011)
Using this guide, many servicemen on parade have well over a £1000 on their chest.
GSM 62
£60-85 NI Clasp
£170-0225 Dhofar Clasp
£400-450 Kuwait Clasp
£350-450 N Iraq & S Turkey Clasp
£350-450 Air Ops Iraq
OSM
£400-500 RAF
ACSM
£300-400
Rhodesia Medal
£350-450
South Atlantic
£500-600 RAF (with rosette)
£350-450 RAF (without)
Gulf Medal
£250-350 (with clasp)
£175-250(without)
Saudi Arabian
£20
Kuwaiti
£20-30 (third and fourth class)
Iraq Medal
£300-350 (With clasp)
£125-175 (without)
NATO service medals
£12-15
RAF LS&GC
£50-60
Silver Jubilee
£160-185
Golden
£70-80
(Prices from the Medal Yearbook 2011)
Using this guide, many servicemen on parade have well over a £1000 on their chest.
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November4 - That is an eye-opening list. To think, in monetary value, the collection of tin the RAF gave me and which I have in my wardrobe could be worth, at the very least, £1500.
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Ditto the above plus a couple of other specific awards.Never really thought about the monetary value
Has anyone any success with standard household insurance?
Accepted that they would be a specific named item but what would they class them as? Jewellery?
Has anyone any success with standard household insurance?
Accepted that they would be a specific named item but what would they class them as? Jewellery?
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Odd....we don't put Monetary value on our Awards and Decorations on this side of the Pond. However, we do put give appreciation for what the Recipient did to earn the Award.
My Grandpa who was nominated for the Medal of Honor as a Private and received the DSC for that action.....well let's just say it is a Family treasure that is now in the hands of his great grand son who is a Captain in the Army Special Forces. Good Hands it is in too I might add!
We pass them down .....not flog them off.
My Grandpa who was nominated for the Medal of Honor as a Private and received the DSC for that action.....well let's just say it is a Family treasure that is now in the hands of his great grand son who is a Captain in the Army Special Forces. Good Hands it is in too I might add!
We pass them down .....not flog them off.
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Well done you.
Personally, I was talking about an insurance value for if the worst happened and they had to be replaced. But then again we aren't allowed to blow burglars to kingdom come over here are we?
Climb down off your horse mate before you fall off.
Personally, I was talking about an insurance value for if the worst happened and they had to be replaced. But then again we aren't allowed to blow burglars to kingdom come over here are we?
Climb down off your horse mate before you fall off.
Odd....we don't put Monetary value on our Awards and Decorations on this side of the Pond. However, we do put give appreciation for what the Recipient did to earn the Award.
My Grandpa who was nominated for the Medal of Honor as a Private and received the DSC for that action.....well let's just say it is a Family treasure that is now in the hands of his great grand son who is a Captain in the Army Special Forces. Good Hands it is in too I might add!
We pass them down .....not flog them off.
My Grandpa who was nominated for the Medal of Honor as a Private and received the DSC for that action.....well let's just say it is a Family treasure that is now in the hands of his great grand son who is a Captain in the Army Special Forces. Good Hands it is in too I might add!
We pass them down .....not flog them off.
In 100 years plus when they have passed down another couple of generations they will be worth even more, not in monetary value but in historial value.
However they will need to have the full story of how they were earned and whom they were passed to relying, on each generation to continue to record this information..............that why it will be valuable.
Wondering whether its actually worth having all this written up with ink you know will last the generations, it done and presented in a presentation book / format that future generations will tip their hats about the bravery of men so long ago.
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SASless they only tend to get flogged off when someone dies, there seems to be on the whole a lack of understanding what they mean through families, if that makes sense...
Totally agree with the Austrailian VC winners reasons for selling his VC grouping to benefit the family now while he is alive.. After all at the end of the day, the medal is simply a bit of tin, it's the man behind it that counts, the VC will simply probably sit in a bank vault and I wouldn't be suprised that the ones worn by him at functions etc are copies...
Totally agree with the Austrailian VC winners reasons for selling his VC grouping to benefit the family now while he is alive.. After all at the end of the day, the medal is simply a bit of tin, it's the man behind it that counts, the VC will simply probably sit in a bank vault and I wouldn't be suprised that the ones worn by him at functions etc are copies...
