Message for phormer 43 Sqn and 228 OCU Phantom aircrew ?
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Message for phormer 43 Sqn and 228 OCU Phantom aircrew ?
Hi all,
Does anyone remember a F4 pilot from 43 or 228 OCU around early 80s call Matt H@@@ley?
Does anyone remember a F4 pilot from 43 or 228 OCU around early 80s call Matt H@@@ley?
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As Chris rightly said, there's nothing in the OCU book and that records everyone who went through 228 from 1968 to the end. I asked a former 43 nav who was on the squadron at the time and he's unknown to him even after checking his logbooks for the period in question.
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How to spot a Walt
I reckon I've got the answer to this one. If anyone is suspected of walting about being on 228/43 during the early 80s he should be made to sit Ali Qadoo's Acme Patent Anti-Walting Exam.
Time allowed: 3 hours
Rules: No biting, scratching or kicking. Cheating is encouraged
Warning: Do not attempt while sober
Section 1: 228 OCU
1. Who was known as Curly Bill?
2. Put real names to the following:
a) T+8
b) G+10
c) The Major
3. When you stagger out of the Wig and Mitre, is the curry house a) uphill or b) downhill from your current location?
Section 2: The F-4
1. You're doing a heavy-weight instrument pattern to overshoot:
a) Which stage of bleed would you select and why?
b) Why isn't this relevant in the FG1?
2. You're 60nm NE of Leuchars in an FG1 doing LL night PIs, and at around 600kts you have a double generator failure. What is the RAT limiting speed and how will you know when you're below it?
3. What's the significance of a "Barber's Pole" indication?
Section 3: Leuchars and 43(F) Squadron
1. What was the name of the dodgy nightclub/sexually-transmitted disease exchange centre in Dundee? (Clue: shared a name with a large predatory fish)
2. Put real names to the following squadron execs:
a) The B-Word
b) The Village Idiot
c) The Talking Armpit
d) The Man From Del Monte (he likes to say "yes")
3. Who would be likely to attend a Sledge Party?
4. Who most certainly wouldn't be invited to a Sledge Party?
Section 4: Cyprus
43(F) Sqn has deployed to Akrotiri as part of Op Pulsator/Certain Death/Certain Goat etc or simply for APC
1. Why might a cricket stump and a pot of paint come in handy during an APC?
2. You're planning a couth night out. In order of couthness, rank the following, most couth first (show your working)
a) Chris's Kebab House
b) Pambos Best Food
c) The Avenida Famagusta
3. It's Friday night during Op Certain Goat and political tension between Blue and Orange is rising. You are duty officer and Q1 pilot the following day so you stay off the pop for once. At 0400, you are asleep in your room in block 139 when the phone rings and you are told to bring all the squadron's aircraft to RS10. You call the detco and the SEngO and then set about rounding up the crews. Oddly enough, very few of them are in their beds. Where would you begin your search and why?
Happy Walt spotting!
Time allowed: 3 hours
Rules: No biting, scratching or kicking. Cheating is encouraged
Warning: Do not attempt while sober
Section 1: 228 OCU
1. Who was known as Curly Bill?
2. Put real names to the following:
a) T+8
b) G+10
c) The Major
3. When you stagger out of the Wig and Mitre, is the curry house a) uphill or b) downhill from your current location?
Section 2: The F-4
1. You're doing a heavy-weight instrument pattern to overshoot:
a) Which stage of bleed would you select and why?
b) Why isn't this relevant in the FG1?
2. You're 60nm NE of Leuchars in an FG1 doing LL night PIs, and at around 600kts you have a double generator failure. What is the RAT limiting speed and how will you know when you're below it?
3. What's the significance of a "Barber's Pole" indication?
Section 3: Leuchars and 43(F) Squadron
1. What was the name of the dodgy nightclub/sexually-transmitted disease exchange centre in Dundee? (Clue: shared a name with a large predatory fish)
2. Put real names to the following squadron execs:
a) The B-Word
b) The Village Idiot
c) The Talking Armpit
d) The Man From Del Monte (he likes to say "yes")
3. Who would be likely to attend a Sledge Party?
4. Who most certainly wouldn't be invited to a Sledge Party?
Section 4: Cyprus
43(F) Sqn has deployed to Akrotiri as part of Op Pulsator/Certain Death/Certain Goat etc or simply for APC
1. Why might a cricket stump and a pot of paint come in handy during an APC?
2. You're planning a couth night out. In order of couthness, rank the following, most couth first (show your working)
a) Chris's Kebab House
b) Pambos Best Food
c) The Avenida Famagusta
3. It's Friday night during Op Certain Goat and political tension between Blue and Orange is rising. You are duty officer and Q1 pilot the following day so you stay off the pop for once. At 0400, you are asleep in your room in block 139 when the phone rings and you are told to bring all the squadron's aircraft to RS10. You call the detco and the SEngO and then set about rounding up the crews. Oddly enough, very few of them are in their beds. Where would you begin your search and why?
Happy Walt spotting!
Last edited by Ali Qadoo; 10th Sep 2012 at 07:28.
You're 60nm NE of Leuchars in an FG1 doing LL night PIs, and at around 600kts....
As for anyone providing you with the actual answer to Section 3 Q2a), Ali, that's a sneaky way to earn yourself a free beer!
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600KIAS? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
The 0400 call-out happened too. It was during Op Pulsator and I ended up banging on doors of "a block that shall not be mentioned" and shouting, 'If you've got one of our aircrew in there, tell him to get dressed. The squadron's been called to RS10!"
And as for the sneaky free beer, the candidate sitting the exam could always answer, "The Scottish Wing Commander," and avoid the penalty for saying B........!
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"a block that shall not be mentioned"
That double gennie failure must have been somewhat thought provoking, Ali! I recall having a very benign single gennie failure, bus tie closed in an FGR2 and that caused a few control transients before the system stabilised. So a double failure at 600 KIAS at low level at night....no stab augs....
I guess your failure was some short which dropped the first gennie, then when the bus tie closed the second wasn't having any of it either? Did they ever establish the cause?
What were your nav's comments once the lights and interphone came back on line? His fingers can't have been far from the B&Y! "That was fun, Ali, but let's not do it again!".
A Walt probably wouldn't know the code about 'The Scottish Officer'....
, so your beer would be a pretty good yardstick with which to establish his Waltism!
2. Put real names to the following squadron execs:
a) The B-Word
a) The B-Word
And is it like Beetlejuice - say his name three times and he appears, three more and he disappears?
Wratten, Wratt....
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Idiot, village for the use of
The Village Idiot - name bestowed on him by TH, the world's noisiest navigator.
Initials TW. Took over as NRL on 43 when the Talking Armpit (qv) became OC B.
Further clues. The VI used to run a sideline importing cars from Germany to the UK. Can't remember the details, but owing to "certain irregularities" he was Court Martialed and dismissed the Service: couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.
As an aside, after a major run-in with the Village Idiot (which would make a classic I learned about flying supervision from that article) I began Redress of Complaint action against him. Out of courtesy, I popped into the B-Word's office to tell him, and the look on his face when the potential for collateral damage to his precious career hit home was absolutely priceless. Lots of flapping and about ten minutes later I got a grudging apology from the VI and a whole heap of smarm about "unfortunate misunderstandings" from the B-Word.
Initials TW. Took over as NRL on 43 when the Talking Armpit (qv) became OC B.
Further clues. The VI used to run a sideline importing cars from Germany to the UK. Can't remember the details, but owing to "certain irregularities" he was Court Martialed and dismissed the Service: couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.
As an aside, after a major run-in with the Village Idiot (which would make a classic I learned about flying supervision from that article) I began Redress of Complaint action against him. Out of courtesy, I popped into the B-Word's office to tell him, and the look on his face when the potential for collateral damage to his precious career hit home was absolutely priceless. Lots of flapping and about ten minutes later I got a grudging apology from the VI and a whole heap of smarm about "unfortunate misunderstandings" from the B-Word.
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You're a man after me own heart - I shared a room in the grown-ups' mess with this person when at nav school (he was on the same course and initially role-disposed to Hercs, but blagged his way onto FJ). I could on many occasions happily have redressed a complaint against him behind the squash court/bike shed/motor club.
Met him again at a major NATO HQ in Germany (he as wg cdr); he didn't appear to have many friends, and I wasn't about to renew our acquaintance beyond the bounds of common civility.
It was there that his Arther Daly tendencies caught up with him (even worse was trying to cajole a JNCO into participating in his import/export schemes).
I trust he got what he deserved.
Mister B (no, I'm not Scottish nor F4)
You're a man after me own heart - I shared a room in the grown-ups' mess with this person when at nav school (he was on the same course and initially role-disposed to Hercs, but blagged his way onto FJ). I could on many occasions happily have redressed a complaint against him behind the squash court/bike shed/motor club.
Met him again at a major NATO HQ in Germany (he as wg cdr); he didn't appear to have many friends, and I wasn't about to renew our acquaintance beyond the bounds of common civility.
It was there that his Arther Daly tendencies caught up with him (even worse was trying to cajole a JNCO into participating in his import/export schemes).
I trust he got what he deserved.
Mister B (no, I'm not Scottish nor F4)
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I havent laughed so much in ages, thanks
The said "gentleman" suggests that he cant remember if 43 flew the FGR2 or FG1 but there wasn't much difference between them.
Confirms he definately went through 228 at Coningsby ( my trap was 231 OCU at Wyton)
and he left 43 to fly the F3 (although can't remember course number)?
He also looks 40 so must have been spacey aircrew then
walt hunt complete then...thanks
I havent laughed so much in ages, thanks
The said "gentleman" suggests that he cant remember if 43 flew the FGR2 or FG1 but there wasn't much difference between them.
Confirms he definately went through 228 at Coningsby ( my trap was 231 OCU at Wyton)
and he left 43 to fly the F3 (although can't remember course number)?
He also looks 40 so must have been spacey aircrew then
walt hunt complete then...thanks
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