Scotland would get 18 fast jets plus 26 helos if it splits
Suspicion breeds confidence
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If you did your homework, you would know that there are three banks in Scotland that can print notes, namely RBS, BoS and the Cldesdale. However, for each £1 they print, they bave to lodge equivalent collateral with the Bank of Ebgland. Simply withdraw this facility and they can print what ever they want, call it what they want and it would be worth about as much as the Syrian Pound on the international currency markets.
Why should we help them 1p more?
Why should we help them 1p more?
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Just remind us all how much they managed to spend on those glorified council offices that are passed off as the scottish parliament?
Personally, I hope the UK stays united. If the scots decide to go it alone, then good luck, but don't ever think about coming back to mother England with your tails between your legs.
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Personally, I hope the UK stays united. If the scots decide to go it alone, then good luck, but don't ever think about coming back to mother England with your tails between your legs.
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Hmm - I could have sworn that some of the corrupt MPs were from North of the border.
Its the people are the issue - blaming the system rather than those who operate it is surely being naive. Where do you think most of the money for the SNP's independence campaign is coming from (or at least the SNP are hoping that it will come from)? Answer: Business men and women who will hope to have some influence with the SNP if they win their campaign. There are only so many lottery winners in Scotland!
The Scottish Parliament is no less corrupt than Westminster - and you shouldn't expect it to be.
I still fail to see any of the benefits of going independent. It is heart (at least Alex's) over brains. It will take an aweful lot of convincing for me to vote anything but NO.
And wasn't that why Scotland joined England anyway - by crawling with tail between their legs after going bankrupt over the Caledonia escapade?
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I think you have misinterpreted what naveleye is saying.
He is refering to UK pounds which of course an Inependent Scottish Government could not print.
You refer to an independent pound which is totally different!
At the moment Wee Eck's policy is to use the UK pound as Scotland's currency as he knows a Scottish Pound would lose value quite quickly as the oil reserves deplete.
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is the argument inane only because you disagree with the conclusions!
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I think you have misinterpreted what naveleye is saying.
Don't let them print any £ locally
You refer to an independent pound which is totally different!
if Scotland want to continue to call an independant currency 'pounds' then who TF are you to say they can't?
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same old inane arguments
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Really? Mother England?
That said, I would still rather the UK stay united. Quite simply, we are stronger together!
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" so the SNP have moved on to Latvia and Estonia as comparisons for what an Independent Scotland would be like."
In UK/USA, when Central Casting wants to provide a cliched stereotyped (perticularly maritime) engineer character, he will inevitably be Scottish - even in Star Trek!
In the USSR (I did say many years ago!) the character would equally inevitably come from the Baltic States - probably Latvia or Estonia.....
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And wasn't that why Scotland joined England anyway - by crawling with tail between their legs after going bankrupt over the Caledonia escapade?
is the argument inane only because you disagree with the conclusions!
From previous posts I note you may want to join BA - if Scotland becomes independant you may not have the right to work in the UK if the EU won't let an independant Scotland in
From previous posts I note you may want to join BA - if Scotland becomes independant you may not have the right to work in the UK if the EU won't let an independant Scotland in
As for wanting to work for BA, i'm hedging my bets on a common sense approach from the EU (controversial, I know
). Failing that, there are other fine airlines operating out of Scottish airports that I would be over the moon to work for 
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Scotland's parasitic reliance on England
Top tip to anyone south of the Border who genuinely wishes to support the Union:
Try not to use phrases like "Mother England".
Back on thread. About Defence in an independent Scotland, see Professor Malcolm Chalmers' article in the current RUSI Journal, and his April RUSI briefing paper accessible from this link:
RUSI - Briefing Paper: Defence in an Independent Scotland
Try not to use phrases like "Mother England".
Back on thread. About Defence in an independent Scotland, see Professor Malcolm Chalmers' article in the current RUSI Journal, and his April RUSI briefing paper accessible from this link:
RUSI - Briefing Paper: Defence in an Independent Scotland
Suspicion breeds confidence
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Mr Salmond wants to have it both ways. Lets leave yet stay connected and use OUR currency. As Mrs Thatcher said "NO, NO, NO". Once you leave the Union you lose all rights and privileges associated with the Club! If you leave your job, do they still pay into your pension? of course not.
They then face a choice of currency:
1. Print your own
2. Join the EU
Option 1,Would result in the complete wipe out of everyone's savings north of the border as it would have no credibility in the market.
Option 2, Scotland would have to commit to join the Euro within a specified timescale and operate under the edict of the central European Bank. Oh dear. It could not set its own interest rates and worse it would have to conform to strict entry criteria and fiscal policy which means austerity and would prevent the SNP from carrying out its manifesto pledges and be exposed as the incompetents they are. It would also leave them in the same boat as Ireland, Greece and Portugal.
Maybe the Scottish electorate should have this spelled out to them. That is what I meant by cutting the umbilical.
They then face a choice of currency:
1. Print your own
2. Join the EU
Option 1,Would result in the complete wipe out of everyone's savings north of the border as it would have no credibility in the market.
Option 2, Scotland would have to commit to join the Euro within a specified timescale and operate under the edict of the central European Bank. Oh dear. It could not set its own interest rates and worse it would have to conform to strict entry criteria and fiscal policy which means austerity and would prevent the SNP from carrying out its manifesto pledges and be exposed as the incompetents they are. It would also leave them in the same boat as Ireland, Greece and Portugal.
Maybe the Scottish electorate should have this spelled out to them. That is what I meant by cutting the umbilical.
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I think, as I suspect many English do, that it would be better to preserve the union. However, if it came to a crunch and any further concessions were required to keep Scotland on board then I'm afraid you can forget it. As I said, Scotland has a parasitic relationship to Mother England. If you don't agree with that point of view, fine, but I suspect that you will find that it is the point of view of many in England, including our resident scots population.
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If you leave your job, do they still pay into your pension? of course not.
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I think, as I suspect many English do, that it would be better to preserve the union. However, if it came to a crunch and any further concessions were required to keep Scotland on board then I'm afraid you can forget it. As I said, Scotland has a parasitic relationship to Mother England. If you don't agree with that point of view, fine, but I suspect that you will find that it is the point of view of many in England, including our resident scots population.
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Well if we're not basing it on official figures/reports then I suppose an agree to disagree stance will probably work best. But the "Mother England" thing is still getting to me. Why "Mother England"?
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Well if we're not basing it on official figures/reports then I suppose an agree to disagree stance will probably work best.
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Why use long words when short words work just as well to convey one's message? Have a look here if you're struggling old fella: Plain English Campaign homepage
Whilst on the subject of personal details, I hope that you're safe in your Northern Spain location as that country slides further towards bankruptcy.
From today's Torygraph:
You could imagine that same headline being written about Scotland at some point after Salmond and his blinkered cronies get their egotistical desires satisfied. (That would of course be if Scotland's economy was worth bothering about. Perhaps not though, as Salmond appears willing to sacrifice to satisfy his bloated ego.)
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Whilst on the subject of personal details, I hope that you're safe in your Northern Spain location as that country slides further towards bankruptcy.
From today's Torygraph:
London’s FTSE 100 dropped more than 2pc on Tuesday afternoon after Wall Street continued a global stock market sell-off triggered by fears that Spain might need a full international debt bailout.
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Why use long words when short words work just as well to convey one's message? Have a look here if you're struggling old fella: Plain English Campaign homepage
Why is it that you little Englanders feel so offended because some others think they'd be better off without you? Does it hurt your delicate egos so much.
Believe it or not as you wish, I am very much in favour of the Union, it just really gets up my nose the attitude of some who really believe that the world starts and ends with England and everyone else owes you an eternal debt of gratitude.
Personally I don't believe the people of Scotland will support Wee Eck in his ambitions and any referendum will result in a resounding NO vote. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to say so.
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Shack, that's the typed equivalent of drivel. Where did you drag all that up from.
I've got no objection to them having their referendum. I also think it will result in a no vote. Depends on the question the people are asked of course. Salmond certainly won't include expat Jocks either, they know which side their bread is buttered!
I'm guessing that when Spain's economy crumbles you'll be one of many dragging yourself back to the comfort blanket of us little Englanders. That of course is your prerogative, but do us a favour when it happens, come back on here and tell us how good it is to be back in Mother England.
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I've got no objection to them having their referendum. I also think it will result in a no vote. Depends on the question the people are asked of course. Salmond certainly won't include expat Jocks either, they know which side their bread is buttered!
I'm guessing that when Spain's economy crumbles you'll be one of many dragging yourself back to the comfort blanket of us little Englanders. That of course is your prerogative, but do us a favour when it happens, come back on here and tell us how good it is to be back in Mother England.
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Quite right. They should have a choice as long as they understand what total economic isolation means. I hope they choose the right path, but that's by no means certain. The wrath of the City will be devastating.
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Because he's 12 years old and finds long words difficult.
On another note, you should widen your reading a little bit, salad-dodger. If you read the Telegraph exclusively then you will undoubtedly carry on with the opinions you have at the moment. There is plenty of information out there to be found which shows that Scotland is a very productive part of the UK. In fact, it comes only after London and the SE of England in the official UK figures. We are not leaches, nor fools. Our vote in 2014 will be a choice made of pragmatism not idealism.
I would also suggest that making light of the tough situation Spain finds itself in isn't the kindest way to treat your fellow man. I spent a while living in Barcelona in 2011 and in our office we had people coming from all over Spain (particularly the South) with tales of real hardship. Something we have been fortunate enough not to experience (yet) in the UK. Though to say an independent Scotland would also suffer this fate is just speculation and holds as much weight as saying any other country (including England, Wales and NI) would too.
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Shack, that's the typed equivalent of drivel. Where did you drag all that up from.
I've got no objection to them having their referendum. I also think it will result in a no vote. Depends on the question the people are asked of course. Salmond certainly won't include expat Jocks either, they know which side their bread is buttered!
I'm guessing that when Spain's economy crumbles you'll be one of many dragging yourself back to the comfort blanket of us little Englanders. That of course is your prerogative, but do us a favour when it happens, come back on here and tell us how good it is to be back in Mother England.