Scotland would get 18 fast jets plus 26 helos if it splits
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Before doing all this ... first off Salmond better get his cheque book out and pay off the debt the UK Goverment stumped up to save his mate's bank ... that's Goodwin and RBS ... along with an equitable share of the total current UK National Debt ... not a lot of change to do much else after that I'll wager. Oh ... he doesn't have a Central Bank to do any of this ... maybe he could take out a personal loan 
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Add onto that.
Scottish Embassies. (the Brits might rent out a room but they will make Salmon cough up for it.)
EU membership, (if they get in then they will be a contributor because Salmon has told the world how rich Scotland is.)
United Nations (another gravy train to fund.)
I am retired and I like living in Aberdeen, Scotland. Shopping is easy, a bus (free) every ten minutes. A day in Edinburgh? Easy, book a seat on the coach (50p each way) and off you go. A weekend in Ullapool, on the west coast, same again, no problem. You can go anywhere in Scotland on an intercity coach or town bus and
IT'S ALL FREE.
Visiting the doctor and getting a prescription. I'm over 65 so its free. My son and daughter are in there forties, its all free. For everybody in Scotland
IT'S ALL FREE.
My grandchildren could go to school, get their highers and think about going to a Scottish university. Money is not a problem.
IT'S ALL FREE.
When I get old and doddery I will need looking after a bit. Not a problem, I will get help from carers and
IT'S ALL FREE.
I do not want Scotland to become independent. With all the bills that CM has listed plus my contribution how are they going to afford to continue to hand out my freebees. I have got used to just presenting a plastic card or scribbling a signature and I don't want it to stop. Long live the Union so that Westminster picks up the tab.
Others have mentioned some, but imagine that they will have to set up:
Passport Office.
Post Office.
Passport Office.
Post Office.
Financial Services.
H&S (bless)
Chemical and Radiological Licencing.
Commercial prcatices.
Ect.
H&S (bless)
Chemical and Radiological Licencing.
Commercial prcatices.
Ect.
Scottish Embassies. (the Brits might rent out a room but they will make Salmon cough up for it.)
EU membership, (if they get in then they will be a contributor because Salmon has told the world how rich Scotland is.)
United Nations (another gravy train to fund.)
I am retired and I like living in Aberdeen, Scotland. Shopping is easy, a bus (free) every ten minutes. A day in Edinburgh? Easy, book a seat on the coach (50p each way) and off you go. A weekend in Ullapool, on the west coast, same again, no problem. You can go anywhere in Scotland on an intercity coach or town bus and
IT'S ALL FREE.
Visiting the doctor and getting a prescription. I'm over 65 so its free. My son and daughter are in there forties, its all free. For everybody in Scotland
IT'S ALL FREE.
My grandchildren could go to school, get their highers and think about going to a Scottish university. Money is not a problem.
IT'S ALL FREE.
When I get old and doddery I will need looking after a bit. Not a problem, I will get help from carers and
IT'S ALL FREE.
I do not want Scotland to become independent. With all the bills that CM has listed plus my contribution how are they going to afford to continue to hand out my freebees. I have got used to just presenting a plastic card or scribbling a signature and I don't want it to stop. Long live the Union so that Westminster picks up the tab.
and not the rantings of some deranged idiot
It simply illustrates fear of change !
Going by CM's list of government departments that Scotland will have to set up, the Scots can at least look forward to 100% employment rates. Sadly they will all be paid for by the Scottish Exchequer, so does that mean a 100% tax rate? 
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Fareastdriver, Roland P ...
Forget for a moment the set-up and associated on-going running costs of all the "comforts" Courtney Mil mentions ... let's just put, for starters, an estimate on an "equitable" share of the current UK National Debt for Mr Salmond.
Using the following data here ...
UK National Debt Clock
On a MW&C basis with a Scottish population of 5,254,800 (2011) at circa £17,000 Debt per Head ... I make that (at least) £89,331,600,000 due by a so called "free" Scotland to the Crown.
100% Tax Rate ... I should coco ... and the rest
Forget for a moment the set-up and associated on-going running costs of all the "comforts" Courtney Mil mentions ... let's just put, for starters, an estimate on an "equitable" share of the current UK National Debt for Mr Salmond.
Using the following data here ...
UK National Debt Clock
On a MW&C basis with a Scottish population of 5,254,800 (2011) at circa £17,000 Debt per Head ... I make that (at least) £89,331,600,000 due by a so called "free" Scotland to the Crown.
100% Tax Rate ... I should coco ... and the rest
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Could they not argue that the debt is that of the UK government, as no longer part of the UK its not their debt. How did it work with the end of the USSR? For example were former Soviet republics liable for a share of the debt of the USSR or was that left for Moscow?
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Looks like Team Salmond don't have a clue what they're doing.
Seeking to block a request to see legal advice they implied they had but turns out they didn't. How can anyone trust them with anything?
Looks like Team Salmond don't have a clue what they're doing.
Seeking to block a request to see legal advice they implied they had but turns out they didn't. How can anyone trust them with anything?
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If they get it can we please stop putting clocks back an hour for winter!
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Fareastdriver is correct, Scotland is a damn fine place to live as it is.
However it has to be said that the funding for all the nice things he mentioned is no different to that received by other parts of the UK. Its just that Scotland chooses to spend the money on things that matter most to people. Health, education etc.
Anyway, all this talk of independence...no one I know wants it! My theory is it was a mere rouse to wind up the English. Looks like it worked too.
However it has to be said that the funding for all the nice things he mentioned is no different to that received by other parts of the UK. Its just that Scotland chooses to spend the money on things that matter most to people. Health, education etc.
Anyway, all this talk of independence...no one I know wants it! My theory is it was a mere rouse to wind up the English. Looks like it worked too.
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No surprise there really, particularly as Scotland is likely to have a parasitic relationship to the EU
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Its a shame we don't do polls on this forum because the outcome of this one would be interesting and amusing. Imagine on the same day as Scotland holds its referendum on separation, a similar referendum was held in the rest of the UK with the question.
"Do you support the immediate ejection of Scotland from the rest of the United Kingdom in all respects."
I know how I would vote. They would be bankrupt in six months and we wouldn't have to give them a penny. It would also be end of the Labour Party as without Scotland they are finished in Westminster. Come Scotland - Vote Independence!
"Do you support the immediate ejection of Scotland from the rest of the United Kingdom in all respects."
I know how I would vote. They would be bankrupt in six months and we wouldn't have to give them a penny. It would also be end of the Labour Party as without Scotland they are finished in Westminster. Come Scotland - Vote Independence!
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Part of me wants to see Scotland leave the UK as I feel its probably best for Scotland, a truely free and independant Scotland etc. But for more selfish reasons the idea of seeing it far harder/almost impossible for Labour to get elected into government here sounds VERY appealing indeed
Scottish independance might be worth it simply for that reason alone.
Scottish independance might be worth it simply for that reason alone.
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The lunacy continues ...
Plans envisage Scottish independence from March 2016
Scotland's Future
No mention of currency, how pensions/debt will be handled/allocated let alone defence.
Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie MSP sums it up about right "The SNP have hopelessly underestimated the scale and complexity of this. They would have to negotiate over 14,000 international treaties, a currency, the division of assets, membership of Nato and the host of international organisations".
BTW ... They want to keep the Monarchy ...
Coff.
Plans envisage Scottish independence from March 2016
Scotland's Future
No mention of currency, how pensions/debt will be handled/allocated let alone defence.
Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie MSP sums it up about right "The SNP have hopelessly underestimated the scale and complexity of this. They would have to negotiate over 14,000 international treaties, a currency, the division of assets, membership of Nato and the host of international organisations".
BTW ... They want to keep the Monarchy ...
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Coffman, try to see a bigger picture.
The requirement for 14,000 treaty agreements only applies if Scotland wants to be in all of them.
If Scotland (2016) Ltd decides not to be in NATO than there is no problem. Equally, a new Scotland would not be bound by any ECHR rules.
With no MEP representation, comes a reduction in the cost of MEPs.
If we keep our nose in our own (small) poke, and avoid expeditionary warfare, then 18 fast jets and 26 rotary might well be enough.
The requirement for 14,000 treaty agreements only applies if Scotland wants to be in all of them.
If Scotland (2016) Ltd decides not to be in NATO than there is no problem. Equally, a new Scotland would not be bound by any ECHR rules.
With no MEP representation, comes a reduction in the cost of MEPs.
If we keep our nose in our own (small) poke, and avoid expeditionary warfare, then 18 fast jets and 26 rotary might well be enough.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Looking at the original title, with their 18 FJ they will need a pilot selection system or pay to use someone else's. The aircraft will be fine while they remain serviceable but will need support from BAE and a new contract. It just goes on and on. Before long the Scottish Air Force will be a rival to the Irish Air Corps.
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Airpolice ...
That's the trouble I am looking at the big picture old chap
It's just that I, and countless others (including many Scottish friends), simply believe in the collective power/good of a United Kingdom which benefits all ...
IF it goes ahead there will be tears in Scotland IMHO.
Coff.
That's the trouble I am looking at the big picture old chap
It's just that I, and countless others (including many Scottish friends), simply believe in the collective power/good of a United Kingdom which benefits all ...
IF it goes ahead there will be tears in Scotland IMHO.
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Coffman, there are already tears in Scotland.
Sitting tight is no guarantee that we'll get better, just that we'll be in the same boat as England.
Sitting tight is no guarantee that we'll get better, just that we'll be in the same boat as England.
Equally, a new Scotland would not be bound by any ECHR rules.
Apart from anything else, it would invalidate their approach to EU membership. All EU member states have to be signed up to the ECHR.