Reports coming in the Rockwell Bronco crashed at Kemble this afternoon
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From a post on Flypasts forum
Hi i work on the Airfield & saw the crash,the plane came down just south of the main runway almost level but caught the undercarriage in a wooden fence pulling it into the ground, where the drop tank exploded on contact the front gear dug in pulling the nose cone off & both props. The plane the slid across the main runway braking up as it continued for about 500yrds stopping in flames some 100 feet from the tower.Kemble fire crew were there in less than 30 seconds & began to fight the fire as they also attempted to extract the pilot.He was lucky to be alive but was taken by air ambulance to frenchey where he was treated for 3rd degree burns & spine injuries.Sadly the plane is a total loss.
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So it sounds like it wasnt the bottom half of a loop as has been speculated elsewhere. What was he doing, not landing surely?
I have met the pilot many times including this weekend and he is in my thoughts and prayers for a speedy and full recovery.
I have met the pilot many times including this weekend and he is in my thoughts and prayers for a speedy and full recovery.
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FA, I may be wrong but as far as I know the name of the pilot hasn't been released officially as yet so perhaps you might like to re-word your post in case the family does not wish it to be revealed - there may be good reason for this.
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The OV-10 was positioning to Kemble from Fairford to pick up a photographer prior to an air-to-air sortie with RUAG's Do.228. Wishing the pilot a speedy recovery and hope that his burns aren't major.
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So it sounds like it wasnt the bottom half of a loop as has been speculated elsewhere.
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Oddly enough this is posted in the Private Flying thread.
Strange the gear is down though.
Some good news,
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I was unfortunate to witness it today! He was performing a climb roll inverted then attempted to pull out of the loop but run out of height! The crews at Kemble where attending which I will add the Kemble fire crew where very professional and the fire was put out very quick. A pat on the back for them but still thoughts with the pilot. :-(
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I was unfortunate to witness it today! He was performing a climb roll inverted then attempted to pull out of the loop but run out of height! The crews at Kemble where attending which I will add the Kemble fire crew where very professional and the fire was put out very quick. A pat on the back for them but still thoughts with the pilot. :-(
Some good news,
The demo team have issued this statement on their site.
"We wanted to inform you that there was an incident on the 10th July 2012 at Kemble (Cotswold Airport, UK) concerning Tony and the Bronco. At approx. 15:00 in good flying conditions, Tony choose to take the opportunity to practise a standard display program. Unfortunately, shortly into the flight there was a problem and Tony and the Bronco had a crash landing from low altitude into the grass strip in front of the control tower.
The Bronco was destroyed on impact, but Tony managed to open the cockpit himself and was helped out by the fire crew. He was talking and moving all limbs and taken by helicopter to Franchay hospital in Bristol. He is presently in a stable condition with some burns and back injuries. Following on from his initial assessment he has subsequently had a successful operation on his back injury and is receiving treatment for his burns.
All the signs are for a positive full recovery; we will keep you updated.
Hereby we would like to thank the fire, rescue and hospital services for their professional assistance and care. Thank you to everyone for your help, support and kind wishes at this time.
The Bronco Demo Team
Released on 12th July 2012"
"We wanted to inform you that there was an incident on the 10th July 2012 at Kemble (Cotswold Airport, UK) concerning Tony and the Bronco. At approx. 15:00 in good flying conditions, Tony choose to take the opportunity to practise a standard display program. Unfortunately, shortly into the flight there was a problem and Tony and the Bronco had a crash landing from low altitude into the grass strip in front of the control tower.
The Bronco was destroyed on impact, but Tony managed to open the cockpit himself and was helped out by the fire crew. He was talking and moving all limbs and taken by helicopter to Franchay hospital in Bristol. He is presently in a stable condition with some burns and back injuries. Following on from his initial assessment he has subsequently had a successful operation on his back injury and is receiving treatment for his burns.
All the signs are for a positive full recovery; we will keep you updated.
Hereby we would like to thank the fire, rescue and hospital services for their professional assistance and care. Thank you to everyone for your help, support and kind wishes at this time.
The Bronco Demo Team
Released on 12th July 2012"
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although the Wiltshire Air Ambulance attended this incident and transported the pilot to Frenchay Hospital, it's crews are not responsible for these images appearing within this forum.
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Excellent news about the Pilot! Wish him a speedy one and many more drinks in the bar!
Regarding the ethics of images of 'live' incidents (posting whilst still very fresh or even ongoing) unfortunately it is the sign of the world today and it shall never go back now! However my main reason for posting here is it saddens me greatly that the gap between air crew and photojournalist has once again taken a kicking and a widening!
I have been extremely fortunate to spend many many hours in the air (and worked with SF ground forces too) with some of the World's finest! Ive flown in fast jets, transports and helo! Active and passive roles and ALWAYS with my camera!
On numerous flights, excursions or situations during my time, I have been in the postion to 'share' with the world something únusual' I was witnessing and be a hero for a day (and the next days chip shop paper (do they still use that?)) in the media world or front cover for a month if a mag! However, I have NEVER EVER NOT ONCE even considered my own glory in getting a photo or financial fortunes gained over 1, the safety of the crew and aircraft, 2, the security consequences of me sharing an image/s and 3, the privacy and also consequences to anyone or their families involved in or associated with the reason I took a photo that could arise from me doing such a thing!
NOT until everything has been sorted, situation over and DCO in the log book etc do I discuss with those involved to see if they are happy that if I do publish (in paper or online or even private email), they won't be affected in any negative way? If they feel unhappy or compromised in any way, then it doesn't happen!
This has been my ethos since day one (many years ago) and I can assure those reading this that over the years, I have sacrifed a decent few quid and some serious 'glory' amongst my peers for these choices but choices I would still never change if it happend again!
I have photos taken many years ago that I still have never published, however, JP doing the a strip whilst performing the Haka at Lossie during the Buccaneer farewell weekend in 1994 is seriously getting some consideration as I get older ;-)
Going back to serious, it has taken me years to build up a trusting relationship with those who I have flown with in the past and those I continue to work with today! The aviation world is a small one, it doesn't take long to go from hero to zero overnight in this game! I have witnessed 'photogrankers' seriously take the pi$$ over the years and one on a VC10 flight even potentially compromise the safety onboard a flight! Do these people know how priviledged they are to be in these postions?
How about the fast jet Sqn over worked, aircraft u/s, behind on the program and boss gets a signal from MoD PR ˙ou are to fly xyz on photo sortie" How does he feel? I'm sure many have been in that postion? Is it likely he or the Pilot he must appoint to fly said photographer is going too be over the moon? Well, I don't think so. The relationship (unless known to the Sqn) is based on pure perception of photographers and a trust that must start the moment they meet!
I'm not sure how it works today but I have had a serious bollocking, even blacklisted by MoD PR some years ago for contacting a boss of a Sqn directly (without going through them first) to make sure he was happy to fly me during a time window and me rocking up wasn't going to screw up their program because the norm back then was PR TOLD them what do do, NOT ask? However I feel that was a bent ego over my relationship with the units at the time and me getting things to happen (another story)
Seeing the media screw anything or anyone for a story doesn't help the trust issue and certainly won't help the photo journo get the best from the crews!
So seeing what I assume are either the actual crew or associated with the air ambo in this rescue feeling they need to make it clear they didnt post photographs sickens me! How can people who do such an incredible job for all of us have to feel they need to write such a post?
I believe any photographer, journalist or media representative that steps onboard an aircraft that they are not Captain should without exception sign a document that states that under no circumstances are any images that are taken during any sortie be used until approval first coming from the Captain or Boss or whoever is in charge for their release to the public! Failure is fining or whatever but definately more potentially damaging is their name spread amongst other units and/or their organisation shall never be flown again!
Journos need the crews and lets be honest, we all need the PR and a morale boost! What fast jet jock and his mate doesnt like the glory of taking the jet through the loop with the crowds on the hills keen to send their instant digital pics to them so he can show his girl friend how cool he thinks he is etc.
BUT the relationship must be based on trust! If you are continually looking over your shoulder watching to see if the journo you just gave the thrill of his life to (steady) or shared a day or week with at work has just found a new angle for glory and career ladder step up and is about to screw you over the coals for a better story than the one he/she emailed you about doing 3 months before! Just HOW can you work together effectively, not to mention in a high pressure environment when things can and do happen that you were not expecting! Look at Ross Kemp, no one can deny, he has earned his stripes with honour! I doubt he would screw anyone for a story that would throw the integrity I feel he has into the wind!
You know what? No amount of cash in the world or front covers in News Internationals plethora of publications could pay for the feeling I get when going through a main gate of an RAF base and collecting my pass or standing in the bar and mixing it with those I admire following a flight or feeling the punch of the burners in my backside or the utter gut wrenching pride I feel when an image/s I have published shows to the World what an outstanding job these people do for us day in day out 24/7 365! To be in these postions and to share air space with the best of the best is truly an honour! I could go on but have gone on far more than I intended to already!
NB I have no idea who posted the photographs or if it was wrong or right to do so? I have expressed my feelings and thoughts based on the principle and NOT this example! However, this is the story I have read and thus prompted me to mention my own experiences but my point was and still is, the relationship between the media and aircrew! More and more people today, like myself in our media lead lifestyles plus the public's thirst for multi channel instant reality televison shows are able to work along side these unsung heros (in my opinion) and I feel that any media person must fully understand and appreciate their postion and responsibility within the media world and the far reaching consequences of their actions should they choose to publish certain images and video without proper consideration!
Sometimes, being photographers or media people, we find ourselves in a position that we didn't intended to find ourselves to be in (or perhaps we did?)! These moments can also sometimes be life changing! However, if we choose to record that moment for whatever reason, we must THINK about the consequences of sharing it with others that are not directly involved!
That is my 2 cents for what it's worth and I trust I have not offended anyone and no animals were harmed in the making of this movie!
Apologies for any typos, wrote this lot on a touch screen tablet sitting in a car (not moving of course) and cant find a spell checker, let alone the mouse ;-)
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Regarding the ethics of images of 'live' incidents (posting whilst still very fresh or even ongoing) unfortunately it is the sign of the world today and it shall never go back now! However my main reason for posting here is it saddens me greatly that the gap between air crew and photojournalist has once again taken a kicking and a widening!
I have been extremely fortunate to spend many many hours in the air (and worked with SF ground forces too) with some of the World's finest! Ive flown in fast jets, transports and helo! Active and passive roles and ALWAYS with my camera!
On numerous flights, excursions or situations during my time, I have been in the postion to 'share' with the world something únusual' I was witnessing and be a hero for a day (and the next days chip shop paper (do they still use that?)) in the media world or front cover for a month if a mag! However, I have NEVER EVER NOT ONCE even considered my own glory in getting a photo or financial fortunes gained over 1, the safety of the crew and aircraft, 2, the security consequences of me sharing an image/s and 3, the privacy and also consequences to anyone or their families involved in or associated with the reason I took a photo that could arise from me doing such a thing!
NOT until everything has been sorted, situation over and DCO in the log book etc do I discuss with those involved to see if they are happy that if I do publish (in paper or online or even private email), they won't be affected in any negative way? If they feel unhappy or compromised in any way, then it doesn't happen!
This has been my ethos since day one (many years ago) and I can assure those reading this that over the years, I have sacrifed a decent few quid and some serious 'glory' amongst my peers for these choices but choices I would still never change if it happend again!
I have photos taken many years ago that I still have never published, however, JP doing the a strip whilst performing the Haka at Lossie during the Buccaneer farewell weekend in 1994 is seriously getting some consideration as I get older ;-)
Going back to serious, it has taken me years to build up a trusting relationship with those who I have flown with in the past and those I continue to work with today! The aviation world is a small one, it doesn't take long to go from hero to zero overnight in this game! I have witnessed 'photogrankers' seriously take the pi$$ over the years and one on a VC10 flight even potentially compromise the safety onboard a flight! Do these people know how priviledged they are to be in these postions?
How about the fast jet Sqn over worked, aircraft u/s, behind on the program and boss gets a signal from MoD PR ˙ou are to fly xyz on photo sortie" How does he feel? I'm sure many have been in that postion? Is it likely he or the Pilot he must appoint to fly said photographer is going too be over the moon? Well, I don't think so. The relationship (unless known to the Sqn) is based on pure perception of photographers and a trust that must start the moment they meet!
I'm not sure how it works today but I have had a serious bollocking, even blacklisted by MoD PR some years ago for contacting a boss of a Sqn directly (without going through them first) to make sure he was happy to fly me during a time window and me rocking up wasn't going to screw up their program because the norm back then was PR TOLD them what do do, NOT ask? However I feel that was a bent ego over my relationship with the units at the time and me getting things to happen (another story)
Seeing the media screw anything or anyone for a story doesn't help the trust issue and certainly won't help the photo journo get the best from the crews!
So seeing what I assume are either the actual crew or associated with the air ambo in this rescue feeling they need to make it clear they didnt post photographs sickens me! How can people who do such an incredible job for all of us have to feel they need to write such a post?
I believe any photographer, journalist or media representative that steps onboard an aircraft that they are not Captain should without exception sign a document that states that under no circumstances are any images that are taken during any sortie be used until approval first coming from the Captain or Boss or whoever is in charge for their release to the public! Failure is fining or whatever but definately more potentially damaging is their name spread amongst other units and/or their organisation shall never be flown again!
Journos need the crews and lets be honest, we all need the PR and a morale boost! What fast jet jock and his mate doesnt like the glory of taking the jet through the loop with the crowds on the hills keen to send their instant digital pics to them so he can show his girl friend how cool he thinks he is etc.
BUT the relationship must be based on trust! If you are continually looking over your shoulder watching to see if the journo you just gave the thrill of his life to (steady) or shared a day or week with at work has just found a new angle for glory and career ladder step up and is about to screw you over the coals for a better story than the one he/she emailed you about doing 3 months before! Just HOW can you work together effectively, not to mention in a high pressure environment when things can and do happen that you were not expecting! Look at Ross Kemp, no one can deny, he has earned his stripes with honour! I doubt he would screw anyone for a story that would throw the integrity I feel he has into the wind!
You know what? No amount of cash in the world or front covers in News Internationals plethora of publications could pay for the feeling I get when going through a main gate of an RAF base and collecting my pass or standing in the bar and mixing it with those I admire following a flight or feeling the punch of the burners in my backside or the utter gut wrenching pride I feel when an image/s I have published shows to the World what an outstanding job these people do for us day in day out 24/7 365! To be in these postions and to share air space with the best of the best is truly an honour! I could go on but have gone on far more than I intended to already!
NB I have no idea who posted the photographs or if it was wrong or right to do so? I have expressed my feelings and thoughts based on the principle and NOT this example! However, this is the story I have read and thus prompted me to mention my own experiences but my point was and still is, the relationship between the media and aircrew! More and more people today, like myself in our media lead lifestyles plus the public's thirst for multi channel instant reality televison shows are able to work along side these unsung heros (in my opinion) and I feel that any media person must fully understand and appreciate their postion and responsibility within the media world and the far reaching consequences of their actions should they choose to publish certain images and video without proper consideration!
Sometimes, being photographers or media people, we find ourselves in a position that we didn't intended to find ourselves to be in (or perhaps we did?)! These moments can also sometimes be life changing! However, if we choose to record that moment for whatever reason, we must THINK about the consequences of sharing it with others that are not directly involved!
That is my 2 cents for what it's worth and I trust I have not offended anyone and no animals were harmed in the making of this movie!
Apologies for any typos, wrote this lot on a touch screen tablet sitting in a car (not moving of course) and cant find a spell checker, let alone the mouse ;-)
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Are Broncos cleared for aerobatics?
Curious choice of display axis, at right angles to the runway and straight towards the tower, people, cars etc or was this a problem in the air, gear down and land the only way he could?
Curious choice of display axis, at right angles to the runway and straight towards the tower, people, cars etc or was this a problem in the air, gear down and land the only way he could?
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from BBC News - Cotswold Airport closed for plane crash investigation
"John Hann, who works at aircraft maintenance training company LRTT further down the airfield, witnessed the incident.
He said: "We heard the engine cut out, heard a loud thud that sounded like it came from upstairs... We could just see absolutely huge flames and smoke, and then we all jumped in our cars and drove up to see what went on."
If correct, that would suggest both engines had cut out and he was faced with a forced landing
"John Hann, who works at aircraft maintenance training company LRTT further down the airfield, witnessed the incident.
He said: "We heard the engine cut out, heard a loud thud that sounded like it came from upstairs... We could just see absolutely huge flames and smoke, and then we all jumped in our cars and drove up to see what went on."
If correct, that would suggest both engines had cut out and he was faced with a forced landing
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If I may add some thoughts to the prelim to the accident.Years ago in the days of flying into the Valley at the end of 21 at Biggin Hill,it was a Display Pilot's topic of converstion to end the Display with a descent down the Valley and pull up into a Half Reverse Cuban(Sometimes known as Reverse Spectacles)-OR in layman's terms- Pull up to a 60/70 degree climb then a half roll still held in the climb with a gentle push,and then check;As the altitude builds the gear and lift flap are deployed still inverted,when the Aircraft is then pulled over the top,a la in a loop,and then half rolled out to become exactly in a normal landing configuration.With AirBrake and Land Flap deployed a normal Recovery can be made,with a successful arrival .This manoevre can be made perfectly safely with practice,and I first saw it with Ormand Haydon Baillie at Biggin.My Boss and others then used to perform this at Biggin also,and the Italians performed it frequently with the Macchi 336 and 339 at various Display Venues throught the 70s and 80s.From what I have read,this makes the most sense,as it can be performed with little Aircraft Stress under most Airframe limitations,and feels quite gentle from the cockpit,and of course Great Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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this is the display from Waddington last year
If he was practicing the same routine, and assuming he got engine failure it may answer some of the questions re position and undercarriage
From around 1:43 he's got gear down and turns toward the crowd, and later again on landing
If he was practicing the same routine, and assuming he got engine failure it may answer some of the questions re position and undercarriage
From around 1:43 he's got gear down and turns toward the crowd, and later again on landing
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This has been posted over on the Flypast thread, I hope she does not mind me copying it over here..
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Dear friends,
As Tony's sister I want to thank you all, in name of the entire family, for your thoughts and best wishes. It touched us very much and will help us through these hard times.
In the mean time Tony is stable and doing well. My brother is a fighter and I am sure he will be back in the air very soon, doing the thing he loves most, flying
Also a great thank you to all the staff/people involved in looking after my brother minutes after the crash. Truly great people and no words can describe what they have done. THANKS !!!!
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THANKS
Dear friends,
As Tony's sister I want to thank you all, in name of the entire family, for your thoughts and best wishes. It touched us very much and will help us through these hard times.
In the mean time Tony is stable and doing well. My brother is a fighter and I am sure he will be back in the air very soon, doing the thing he loves most, flying
Also a great thank you to all the staff/people involved in looking after my brother minutes after the crash. Truly great people and no words can describe what they have done. THANKS !!!!
Sonja
