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just give me a CAS that has the cahooners to stop this rapid cutting of our numbers and capabilities
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Of course! They are there to advise, but do not have the power to stop or block a politically made decision. If they did, there'd be no cuts at all right now.
You guys need to stop relying on the Battle of Britain to aid your arguments. If not, we should also argue that perhaps we should maintain a stronger Navy to counter the threat from the Spanish Armada! Or maybe strengthen the Army because we never know if those Normans might come back!
when we need another Battle of Britain style defence of the Nation
....Strategic Air Transport as a potential Joint enabler within JFCOM beggars belief!
MM4 - so what do you think the point of Strat Air is if not to get pax/bits for all 3 services into the right place, at the right time, where-ever in the world they are required? Honestly interested....
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And Alfred.....honestly, you are right
I am not one of those PPruners that has to have the last word or end in a slag fest.
And like you I too wonder what will be the final look of JFCOM, as ISTAR being included I can kind of understand, all helicopters remaining outside in environmental Commands I also kind kind of understand, but when we start talking about Strat AT and other Joint enablers I begin to get worried as I personally just see the RAF being reduced as a service and salami sliced into a Joint rotational command.
If this is the 'new order' that our politicians, lords and masters want then so be it (and I do agree that we do what our country wants, and the country has elected our politicians), but it doesn't sit easy with me.
I am all for Jointery but just wonder how far we go under the pretense of efficiency, when in reality it is purely cost saving not capability that is the true requirement.
I am not one of those PPruners that has to have the last word or end in a slag fest.
And like you I too wonder what will be the final look of JFCOM, as ISTAR being included I can kind of understand, all helicopters remaining outside in environmental Commands I also kind kind of understand, but when we start talking about Strat AT and other Joint enablers I begin to get worried as I personally just see the RAF being reduced as a service and salami sliced into a Joint rotational command.
If this is the 'new order' that our politicians, lords and masters want then so be it (and I do agree that we do what our country wants, and the country has elected our politicians), but it doesn't sit easy with me.
I am all for Jointery but just wonder how far we go under the pretense of efficiency, when in reality it is purely cost saving not capability that is the true requirement.
I am hoping to meet Sir Stuart at a naval function later this year and trust his latest appointment won't jeopardise his appearance. He wouldn't have been invited if he wasn't already held in certain esteem.
MM and Fred
I thought we already had a JStrat AT 'Command'. It's called DSCOM. The RAF's part is to operate the MOD owned/PFI'd element for that stuff going through the JFLogC pipeline allocated to MOD Air to move.
Batco
I thought we already had a JStrat AT 'Command'. It's called DSCOM. The RAF's part is to operate the MOD owned/PFI'd element for that stuff going through the JFLogC pipeline allocated to MOD Air to move.
Batco
MM
DSCOM under JFC? I don't know. But I thought that RAF operated its equipment on behalf of all of 'Defence' (I hate that expression, but accept the shorthand).
A thought on JFC/JFCOM is that it tidies up the mess/rivalry caused by placing airman and sailors who operate some of the nation's battlefield helicopters into Land Command, and soldiers who operate some of the nation's GBAD systems into Air Command etc. JFC/JFCOM could be viewed as 'neutral' (that is until an Army general is appointed ComJFC
).
Batco
DSCOM under JFC? I don't know. But I thought that RAF operated its equipment on behalf of all of 'Defence' (I hate that expression, but accept the shorthand).
A thought on JFC/JFCOM is that it tidies up the mess/rivalry caused by placing airman and sailors who operate some of the nation's battlefield helicopters into Land Command, and soldiers who operate some of the nation's GBAD systems into Air Command etc. JFC/JFCOM could be viewed as 'neutral' (that is until an Army general is appointed ComJFC
).Batco
