F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
http://www.defensenews.com/congress/...ops-f-35-sale/
Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Reference IR detection.....
How the Navy's New Block III Super Hornet Could Crush China's J-20 or Russia's Su-57 | The National Interest Blog
Sounds good against a single target, it as soon as you get multiple targets with the same signature you get multiple false locations. Vague relocation that the old UKADGE passive radar detection system had all sorts of ways to eliminate them (for electronic jammers, not IR) using hyperbolic lays etc - but there were always dozens of them when it was exercised.
How the Navy's New Block III Super Hornet Could Crush China's J-20 or Russia's Su-57 | The National Interest Blog
Sounds good against a single target, it as soon as you get multiple targets with the same signature you get multiple false locations. Vague relocation that the old UKADGE passive radar detection system had all sorts of ways to eliminate them (for electronic jammers, not IR) using hyperbolic lays etc - but there were always dozens of them when it was exercised.
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http://www.defensenews.com/congress/...ops-f-35-sale/
Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
Turkey threatens retaliation if new bill stops F-35 sale
If they are that dismissive about valid US/NATO/F-35 Consortium security concerns, then they are simply displaying exactly why they should not be allowed access.
If Turkey’s recent actions are anything to go by they have already committed to buying the Russian missile system despite warning that this might jeopardise the F-35 deal.
If they are that dismissive about valid US/NATO/F-35 Consortium security concerns, then they are simply displaying exactly why they should not be allowed access.
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And a legitimate tactic to use in bargaining, this however to be balanced against the legitimate concerns of the consortium who propose buying the F-35 which has to be also taken into consideration.
Britain has doubts about servicing it’s F-35’s outside UK ie in Turkey. Israel will certainly have concerns with Turkish F-35’s as their relationship with Turkey has had its ups and downs, though they have quite sensibly obtained rights to distance/isolate themselves to a degree from parts of the program.
Turkey’s actions as a NATO ally have in the past raised concerns with NATO, their recent purchase of the Russian missile system unprecedented in the NATO partnership quite apart from their differences with the US.
There would be many who feel that the need to sell to Turkey has been in doubt for a while and that it should be stopped. It has been an ‘interesting' development that is quite rapidly approaching crunch time.
Which way it will go is anyone’s guess as it has been a very fluid situation with regard to Erdogan and whether his own people will put up with his particular dreams of power, national alliances, and, shaping of the thinking and policies of the Turkish Military which has been so drastically culled of any Western leaning command structure.
Britain has doubts about servicing it’s F-35’s outside UK ie in Turkey. Israel will certainly have concerns with Turkish F-35’s as their relationship with Turkey has had its ups and downs, though they have quite sensibly obtained rights to distance/isolate themselves to a degree from parts of the program.
Turkey’s actions as a NATO ally have in the past raised concerns with NATO, their recent purchase of the Russian missile system unprecedented in the NATO partnership quite apart from their differences with the US.
There would be many who feel that the need to sell to Turkey has been in doubt for a while and that it should be stopped. It has been an ‘interesting' development that is quite rapidly approaching crunch time.
Which way it will go is anyone’s guess as it has been a very fluid situation with regard to Erdogan and whether his own people will put up with his particular dreams of power, national alliances, and, shaping of the thinking and policies of the Turkish Military which has been so drastically culled of any Western leaning command structure.
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Given events in Italy, statements in the UK, and Easter Eggs in the PB19, the program can ill afford to wave goodbye to 100 sales.
A certain desperation is also evident when an LM-compensated consultant is comparing advocacy of European aircraft in Germany to treason:
Taking a leaf from Vladimir Putin’s playbook, some in Europe’s aerospace and defense industry have warned of dire consequences should Germany break with recent practice and acquire a limited number of F-35s to fulfill its commitments under NATO’s nuclear-sharing agreement.
Goure's link goes to this story.
Airbus defense chief Dirk Hoke told German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag this weekend that a decision to buy the F-35 would kill off plans by France and Germany to develop a new European fighter. “As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, all cooperation with France on combat jet issues will die,” Hoke told the paper.
A certain desperation is also evident when an LM-compensated consultant is comparing advocacy of European aircraft in Germany to treason:
Taking a leaf from Vladimir Putin’s playbook, some in Europe’s aerospace and defense industry have warned of dire consequences should Germany break with recent practice and acquire a limited number of F-35s to fulfill its commitments under NATO’s nuclear-sharing agreement.
Goure's link goes to this story.
Airbus defense chief Dirk Hoke told German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag this weekend that a decision to buy the F-35 would kill off plans by France and Germany to develop a new European fighter. “As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, all cooperation with France on combat jet issues will die,” Hoke told the paper.
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Gouré supports American arms sales to other countries, as a method of controlling them.[5]
"Because it controls the flow of spare parts and the technology to upgrade U.S. systems, Washington can also influence local politics," Goure observed.
"In World War II, the United States earned the title of the Arsenal of Democracy. Since that time the continued use of the title has been justified by the way the United States has employed targeted arms sales to support and influence friends and allies around the world."
Ref http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...4581298409611/
"Because it controls the flow of spare parts and the technology to upgrade U.S. systems, Washington can also influence local politics," Goure observed.
"In World War II, the United States earned the title of the Arsenal of Democracy. Since that time the continued use of the title has been justified by the way the United States has employed targeted arms sales to support and influence friends and allies around the world."
Ref http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...4581298409611/
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Arms sales of certain weapons to certain allies.
LM and the US can ill afford to give away cutting edge secrets when there is a serious risk of them compromising a major defence system of every other member of the F-35 consortium.
LM and the US can ill afford to give away cutting edge secrets when there is a serious risk of them compromising a major defence system of every other member of the F-35 consortium.
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Airbus defense chief Dirk Hoke told German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag this weekend that a decision to buy the F-35 would kill off plans by France and Germany to develop a new European fighter. “As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, all cooperation with France on combat jet issues will die,” Hoke told the paper.
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I'm aware of that. There was also an "early relationship" when the concept for Typhoon was being developed. That turned from "cooperation" into direct competition. This will likely (almost certainly?) be no different.
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Doesn’t bode well for the Franco/German option for a German F-35 replacement. But then the German forces are in a little bit of a state of disarray.
France which was a ‘victor’ in the last war, quite logically is in a better position, and their front line equipment is in a bit better shape...but...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nes-unfit-fly/
France which was a ‘victor’ in the last war, quite logically is in a better position, and their front line equipment is in a bit better shape...but...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nes-unfit-fly/
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How the Navy's New Block III Super Hornet Could Crush China's J-20 or Russia's Su-57 The National Interest Blog
Sounds good against a single target, it as soon as you get multiple targets with the same signature you get multiple false locations. Vague relocation that the old UKADGE passive radar detection system had all sorts of ways to eliminate them (for electronic jammers, not IR) using hyperbolic lays etc - but there were always dozens of them when it was exercised.
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Given Turkey’s present economic situation one does wonder if Turkey is in a position to buy 100 F-35’s?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-tayyip-erdoga
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