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Vec,
what you say is true. BUT......
You are so happy to bargain downwards and accept extra filling in the 'sh1t sandwich' I worry you are actually the former CAS.
Yes, we can 'survive' on £27, and yes if we shop around enough we can buy newspapers and toothpaste for £5, but it is a backward step.
Try not defending the latest eye catching initiative from the MOD, implemented by CS working to very different rules.
what you say is true. BUT......
You are so happy to bargain downwards and accept extra filling in the 'sh1t sandwich' I worry you are actually the former CAS.
Yes, we can 'survive' on £27, and yes if we shop around enough we can buy newspapers and toothpaste for £5, but it is a backward step.
Try not defending the latest eye catching initiative from the MOD, implemented by CS working to very different rules.
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Your evidence that it is Civil Servants who are pushing through these variations is?
More likely a uniformed TLB acting under 'political' dictate and lacking the proverbial to contest the issue.
lm
Your evidence that it is Civil Servants who are pushing through these variations is?
More likely a uniformed TLB acting under 'political' dictate and lacking the proverbial to contest the issue.
lm
Those people who are members of the grassy knoll club (believers in conspiracy theories) will have come to the conclusion that the RAF, seeing the way the wind is blowing, has switched from "recruit like mad" mode, to "we can afford to hack people off as we will be downsizing in numbers soon anyway" mode.....
Wise words BGG.
With the value of the £ having fallen so much in recent years, and assuming there was a case for IE in the first place, there is no logic whatsoever in this reduction.
STH
With the value of the £ having fallen so much in recent years, and assuming there was a case for IE in the first place, there is no logic whatsoever in this reduction.
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Big belly
Balti Chicken & Rice & Naan Bread = £9.40
King Prawn Chow mein & Rice = £5.60
Big Mac meal = about a fiver
King Prawn Chow mein & Rice = £5.60
Big Mac meal = about a fiver
How big's your belly on that diet?
...and reprising Jumping_Jack, don't forget, that £27 covers lunch, dinner and breakfast.
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What is hard to understand is that in this year's AFPRB Report, MOD recognised the time away and reduced the number of qualifying days for LSSA from 10 to 7. Then this comes along that does nothing to support that policy! Who says we have joined up thinking?
As for vecvechookattack looks like he lives in Cornwall and most probably lives on pasties....
As for vecvechookattack looks like he lives in Cornwall and most probably lives on pasties....
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The newspaper and toothpaste were but 2 examples of the expenses used to come up with the amount IE is determinded at. Just like LOA takes into account all sorts of costs overseas like oil changes, sports clothing, the cost of babysitters in the foreign land you inhabit.
There are others, but I've just spent 10.7 hours flying in theatre and don't feel like cut and pasting admin regs to educate you on matters you seem to have no grasp of.
W@nker
There are others, but I've just spent 10.7 hours flying in theatre and don't feel like cut and pasting admin regs to educate you on matters you seem to have no grasp of.
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It doesn't really matter what the overseas rates are.....
We are rarely authorised to attend overseas meetings anymore these days. If we are not there then we can't get the allowance.
We are rarely authorised to attend overseas meetings anymore these days. If we are not there then we can't get the allowance.
IE is supposed to cover a multitude of things when overseas, including the occasional phone call home. It's not unreasonable to argue that it costs more to call home from abroad than in from the UK, hence the overseas IE rate was higher. One of the other costs quoted as being covered by IE was laundry. Try getting your laundry done in a hotel for £5 a day, it wasn't even possible on £10. Going down route is already costing me money each time I do it, I guess my "personal contribution" for doing my job has just gone up by £5 per day.
If this saves the MOD a few grand, good on em. I think it shows our lords and masters in their true light as synical penny pinching half wits.
Side note to PMA:
You wouldn't need to offer me an F.R.I. if you made the job enjoyable again!!!
If this saves the MOD a few grand, good on em. I think it shows our lords and masters in their true light as synical penny pinching half wits.
Side note to PMA:
You wouldn't need to offer me an F.R.I. if you made the job enjoyable again!!!
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Wensleydale,
It does matter what the overseas rate is, as those AT Sqns will tell you. I've just returned from a 5 day long trip, and have found it nigh on impossible to eat inside the rate, (shade over 10 stone to pre-empt the fat boy truckie banter, and light blue fitness test wise) even using the IE to bolster funds in order to eat. I'm personally quite happy to pay for my own few beers per evening.
Having just checked my online banking, I forked out an additional £90 over 5 days for a small lunch and evening meal only. Thats fine for those that can afford, but bear in mind the SAC steward who is finding it increasingly difficult to do their job without having to pay for the privilege.
Its somewhat annoying that expenditure of many thousands of pounds can be authorized on truly crass decisions, such as (hypothetically) keeping a crew overseas with a sick jet for a few weeks instead of bringing them home on return tickets which, incidentally, may have saved over £7000, whilst penny pinching over £50 a night in IE.
You just know some bluntie has obsequiously recommended the cut - "look at me sir, I've just saved £2000 a month. Can I get promoted now". Its just another push factor which will become self evident when recruitment recommences. The exodus will be quite startling. Lions led by donkeys.
It does matter what the overseas rate is, as those AT Sqns will tell you. I've just returned from a 5 day long trip, and have found it nigh on impossible to eat inside the rate, (shade over 10 stone to pre-empt the fat boy truckie banter, and light blue fitness test wise) even using the IE to bolster funds in order to eat. I'm personally quite happy to pay for my own few beers per evening.
Having just checked my online banking, I forked out an additional £90 over 5 days for a small lunch and evening meal only. Thats fine for those that can afford, but bear in mind the SAC steward who is finding it increasingly difficult to do their job without having to pay for the privilege.
Its somewhat annoying that expenditure of many thousands of pounds can be authorized on truly crass decisions, such as (hypothetically) keeping a crew overseas with a sick jet for a few weeks instead of bringing them home on return tickets which, incidentally, may have saved over £7000, whilst penny pinching over £50 a night in IE.
You just know some bluntie has obsequiously recommended the cut - "look at me sir, I've just saved £2000 a month. Can I get promoted now". Its just another push factor which will become self evident when recruitment recommences. The exodus will be quite startling. Lions led by donkeys.
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...and all that MoD stationary proudly displaying that IiP (Investors in People!) logo. Really?
Can anyone remember the last time the we, the people, were given anything other than cuts - reduced manpower, reduced 'support', increased admin hurdles and less helpful Civil Serpents? I can't.
Can anyone remember the last time the we, the people, were given anything other than cuts - reduced manpower, reduced 'support', increased admin hurdles and less helpful Civil Serpents? I can't.
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Uncle Ginsters,
Such a question was asked many many moons ago at ISK to which the answer came back that IIP is nothing to do with spending money directly on the workforce, it was all about providing opportunities for the workforce.
Its just a shame with such a small workforce that very rarely can those opportunities actually be taken up!
I guess there is money being spent, but its a select few that benefit and rarely does it seem to be the guys and gals that spend so much time down route or overseas.
Such a question was asked many many moons ago at ISK to which the answer came back that IIP is nothing to do with spending money directly on the workforce, it was all about providing opportunities for the workforce.
Its just a shame with such a small workforce that very rarely can those opportunities actually be taken up!
I guess there is money being spent, but its a select few that benefit and rarely does it seem to be the guys and gals that spend so much time down route or overseas.
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...and all that MoD stationary proudly displaying that IiP (Investors in People!) logo. Really?
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This is what IE is paid for
"IE are designed to cover necessary personal incidental expenses actually incurred when an overnight absence in a hotel or temporary Service single accommodation is occupied. Allowable expenses are the cost of laundry/dry cleaning expenses, a daily telephone call home of up to 3 minutes duration and a daily newspaper. Where however, a Service person purchases a phone card for use during an IE earning period, the actual total cost of that phone card may be split over a number of days provided that the cost of 3 minutes call time per day is not exceeded (ie a 20 minute phone card may be purchased for use over a 7 day period).
Likewise, Service personnel with an entitlement to claim IE may choose not to have their laundry/dry cleaning done each day. Where this is the case the total actual cost of the laundry/dry cleaning incurred may be spread over a number of days of the IE earning period. Hotel internet charges may also be considered as IE. This is on the basis that the internet is used as an alternative to claiming for a newspaper and/or a phone call home."
Hope this helps......
HG
"IE are designed to cover necessary personal incidental expenses actually incurred when an overnight absence in a hotel or temporary Service single accommodation is occupied. Allowable expenses are the cost of laundry/dry cleaning expenses, a daily telephone call home of up to 3 minutes duration and a daily newspaper. Where however, a Service person purchases a phone card for use during an IE earning period, the actual total cost of that phone card may be split over a number of days provided that the cost of 3 minutes call time per day is not exceeded (ie a 20 minute phone card may be purchased for use over a 7 day period).
Likewise, Service personnel with an entitlement to claim IE may choose not to have their laundry/dry cleaning done each day. Where this is the case the total actual cost of the laundry/dry cleaning incurred may be spread over a number of days of the IE earning period. Hotel internet charges may also be considered as IE. This is on the basis that the internet is used as an alternative to claiming for a newspaper and/or a phone call home."
Hope this helps......
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Dallas,
Point taken. However, my point still holds true in relation to Personal Development. We're in an environment where sport and AT can only be conducted without any T&S assistance from HMG - you can't even drive a minibus further than one tank of gas away as HMG can't afford a refill from public sources. Still, I guess the high-ropes course on base costs nowt
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see much to earn the label Investors in Personal Development either.
Point taken. However, my point still holds true in relation to Personal Development. We're in an environment where sport and AT can only be conducted without any T&S assistance from HMG - you can't even drive a minibus further than one tank of gas away as HMG can't afford a refill from public sources. Still, I guess the high-ropes course on base costs nowt
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see much to earn the label Investors in Personal Development either.
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It wasn't a defence, I was just feeling benevolent. IiP is a total waste of time, space and money, but there are few employers that provide TDFs, staff rides, duty sport etc. Don't get me wrong - I despise the ducks who nibble at every turn - but equally we mustn't forget that cash is short across HMG.
Why we are short of cash, and the scandalous way our hefty taxes are wasted is a discussion for another day!
It wasn't a defence, I was just feeling benevolent. IiP is a total waste of time, space and money, but there are few employers that provide TDFs, staff rides, duty sport etc. Don't get me wrong - I despise the ducks who nibble at every turn - but equally we mustn't forget that cash is short across HMG.
Why we are short of cash, and the scandalous way our hefty taxes are wasted is a discussion for another day!
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Maybe the IE has been cut to pay for the "Shopping bags for life" emblazoned with Royal Air Force on the side which we all received yesterday, I kid you not! what a waste of money.
As a MOD CS, I just want to clarify that our own travel allowance is based on actual receipts, and is based on an assessment of reasonable expenditure - e.g. meals and actuals for taxis etc. We get the same £5 limit on IEA, and I believe we are also affected by the reduction from £10 - £5 overseas.
The idea that we can claim for any meal we like is untrue - all claims are subject to scrutiny and if deemed excessive, will result in you repaying the excess amount.
Starting a CS / Mil pay&allowances argument is pointless as you are trying to compare two very different types of employment contracts and terms/conditions.
Of course its annoying, but its just another sign of how broke the department is that it has to fall onto these measures to save money.
The idea that we can claim for any meal we like is untrue - all claims are subject to scrutiny and if deemed excessive, will result in you repaying the excess amount.
Starting a CS / Mil pay&allowances argument is pointless as you are trying to compare two very different types of employment contracts and terms/conditions.
Of course its annoying, but its just another sign of how broke the department is that it has to fall onto these measures to save money.
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