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Old 19th Dec 2000, 19:18
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Voted. Met Mr Wratten once.
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 19:49
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Hope you guys dont mind a civvy commenting here. ( Ex RAF ) Having listened to Hoon and his arrogant comments, I just had to vote for him as villian of the year. If ever there was a miscarriage of justice, this is it.
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 19:56
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Correction to above. Wratten 1 vote
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 21:42
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Two votes please..


Wratten and, er, Wratten.
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 22:06
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How about posting the phone number for us to vote here??
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 22:20
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3 guesses as to who got my vote! The URL has changed to the one below:

<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/heroes_and_villains/hv_home.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/heroes_and_villains/hv_home.shtml</A>
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 22:32
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Misterploppy.
Done the deed. Thanks
 
Old 19th Dec 2000, 22:38
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Me too.
 
Old 20th Dec 2000, 00:04
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MrP - tvm for h-link. Just what we needed. I, too, done the deed!

 
Old 20th Dec 2000, 00:21
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Brian Dixon - just a thort. It BW wins the villain award, or the number of votes triggers R4 to ask some questions anyway, might it not be a good idea to offer a list of questions for John Humpreys to put to the Learned Officer (LO)? Things like, before he can dismiss the Pres of the BOI as a young inexperienced officer, it must mean that LO has a vastly superior knowledge of helio ops, and must have many more rotary quals, etc etc - get the drift?

If we formulate the queries, JH and his team could well supplement the push for an independent inquiry, at the same time possibly widening the forum audience and bringing more into the fold.

I think you would get general agreement from forum contributers that you would be the one to co-ord and push this one through, if you have a mind to....
 
Old 20th Dec 2000, 00:34
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Another vote for Wrotten. Lets hope 2001 brings him squirming in to the public eye and justice gets done.
 
Old 20th Dec 2000, 00:39
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FJJP,

yep, though of that. I've mailed Radio 4 to say that if Billy Boy wins the prize, they might like to contact me to find out why he is so popular.

If anyone has a question that they would like me to put forward please let me have them. However, please note - the why is he such a *$&@!. is not really a good question

Seasons greetings to all, and thanks for your support.

Regards all
Brian
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"Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook

Why oh why can't I spell!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Brian Dixon (edited 19 December 2000).]
 
Old 20th Dec 2000, 06:44
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As a civilian pilot, I was a bit hesitant about posting here. However, here goes:
If Machrihanish was the destination, and the flight was to be conducted under radar, the verdict of "gross negligence" is not only not proven, but becomes the least likely possibility. Instead of a safe route offshore, the crew have to negotiate a path into an airfield with extensive nearby high ground, both to the north and south.
I spent some time at Mac, on UAS camps and later flying in on scheduled airline services. Even in summer, when the whole UK seemed to be cavok, Machrihanish seemed to have a dedicated cloud on the morning TV forecast.
The reliability of satnav systems is fantastic- until the day they fail. Last year I was on an RNAV route over the Alps, on a section with no terrestrial backup. As usual, we were using GPS. Radar called us to confirm our track- although both pilots checked the route in the RNAV, we were 40 miles off track! We continued using vectors until we could start using VORs at Kloten- on landing at ZRH the RNAV gave us a position 70 miles to the east! All, of course, with no indication of failure. Our avionics engineers THOUGHT that condensation inside the aerial might have been the cause- of course, by the time they looked, any such condensation had evaporated. Add the previously reported UFCMs, and you have all the required factors to suddenly overload the crew, even if the aircraft remained theoretically controllable.
None of this, however, contradicts the whole basis of this topic- without positive evidence, the BOI's verdict should have been allowed to stand by their Airships.
BTW, voted!
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Old 20th Dec 2000, 13:22
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I just tried to vote but when I pressed the 'SUBMIT' button nothing happened at all.
Any ideas?
 
Old 20th Dec 2000, 13:37
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Today e-mail page won't let me vote either. Can it be done by phone
 
Old 21st Dec 2000, 01:03
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Dunno about the phone. You could always submit your nomination (whoever that may be!) by using the basic e-mail link on the front page of the site. I used that to make contact and explain why a certain individual may get several nominations and that message got through OK.

You know me......always willing to help.

Regards all
Brian
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Old 21st Dec 2000, 11:48
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Wratten Has my vote!

Best wishes to all and here's to victory in 2001!
 
Old 21st Dec 2000, 14:59
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Presume everybody is getting their mates to vote as well. Could someone ensure that the procedure for voting is known to all crewrooms and ops set ups via ASMA or Fax.

PM wrote to me:

'Dear Nil Nos

The Prime Minister has asked me to thank you for your recent letter concerning the Secretary of State for Defence.

Mr Blair is grateful to you for letting him have your views which he was interested to see.

Yours sincerely,

etc..'

Interesting to note the differing replies people get. Still nothing from my MP.

[This message has been edited by Nil nos tremefacit (edited 22 December 2000).]
 
Old 21st Dec 2000, 15:39
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If nothing happens when you click on 'submit' E-Mail the programme

<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/email/emailthankyou.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/email/emailthankyou.shtml</A>

and register your vote that way.
 
Old 22nd Dec 2000, 00:16
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Another one for william. now that felt good.
 


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