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"In my experience (being involved with RAF representative sport), there are a lot of guys out there who do respresent the Service (as it was a recruiting hook by the RAF Careers Office) and feel very guilty about doing so"
In 33 years I have yet to meet one
In 33 years I have yet to meet one
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You should get out there and talk to the troops .... like they taught us at Cranners ... and .... (J)OCC .... BSC/ICSC!
Amazing what you learn when you just go up to people and start talking to them about their job, life, family, football team etc. - it's the best tool in the box, but very rarely used. Notice, though, how some of the most respected senior (and not so senior) ranks are very good at it.
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Who was the AOC who would pitch up at a stn ranked as a sgt or similar, & sound out the boys & girls for the true stories??
Sounds like Paddy Bandon (the Abandoned Earl).
There were other lovely stories ,such as an AOC's being done by the AOC and Station Commander on a couple of RAFP Motor Bikes.
Regrettably, I fear these were legends even during the 70's.
"The Song was over"
The sad little men in grey took their place.
Sounds like Paddy Bandon (the Abandoned Earl).
There were other lovely stories ,such as an AOC's being done by the AOC and Station Commander on a couple of RAFP Motor Bikes.
Regrettably, I fear these were legends even during the 70's.
"The Song was over"
The sad little men in grey took their place.
Chaps and chapesses, is there any chance of getting back to the original point of this thread or, if not, can the author retitle it "general winges and another area to blow off steam"--both of which I must say would be top topics in my book.
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That sounds very much like it could have been the infamous Phil Lagesson when he was AOC 1Gp, at Bawtry in the mid to late 70's. He also carried a small stick and would poke it in your gut on meeting you!
A top bloke, I remember him coming into the 50 Sqn crewroom and demanding a game of pool with the Sqn CO; Wg Cdr away flying, Flt Cdr's skiving in the mess and I think I was the senior Flt Lt present so duly let the old man win, didn't do me any good though! He died a few years ago in South Africa.
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A top bloke, I remember him coming into the 50 Sqn crewroom and demanding a game of pool with the Sqn CO; Wg Cdr away flying, Flt Cdr's skiving in the mess and I think I was the senior Flt Lt present so duly let the old man win, didn't do me any good though! He died a few years ago in South Africa.
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Lagesson (as you say a seef effrican ) was certainly in a particular mould.
The pace stick jabbed in the corpulence was combined with the assertation :
"Get it off man, get it off!
Now long gone days.
I miss them.
The pace stick jabbed in the corpulence was combined with the assertation :
"Get it off man, get it off!
Now long gone days.
I miss them.
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Only one question (possibly) to CAS.
As a taxpayer, aka your boss I ask.
1. Why is your service Hemmoraging staff and morale?
2. Why is whats left falling down around their ears?
3. Where are the men telling you this?
4. Why are troops being sent out under equipped, supported and relieved?
5. Why does nearly every new project spiral way over budget?
6. Why does civilianising and outsourcing benefit the troops?
7. Why do you think a company that makes a profit and whose primary responsibility is to its shareholders should be allowed within the main gate of any station?
8. Would you make any inquiry into the relationships with these companies and past/present senior officers?
9. Do you know what the corruption means?
10. Do you know what the term "too many chiefs and not enough indians means"?
11. JPA? WHY?
12. How will having a civil SAR force benefit the members of HM forces downed behind enemy lines?
13. How can you sleep at night given the problems with all three services?
14. Do you regret the "Train" comments given the vast spike in PVR's
15. Why has the BOI in to the Khandahar Nimrod taken soooooo long.
16. What is your thoughts on the critical mass personnel number of the RAF.
17. How ashamed are you of the care our injured troops recieve?
18. How long before the Can Do attitude fails?
19. Are you aware that doing more with less has turned into everything with nothing?
20. Would you risk your pension on any of the above?
21. Is there a plan for conscription on the cards?
Pm me if you wish Mr Torpy (sp?)
Also you will notice the lack of respect due to the rank. Were I still serving I would pay the due compliment, but as a civvy I would not pi** on you or anyone at MOD if you were on fire. It is of my unhumble (and possibly wrong) opinion you have all sold the forces of this nation down the river.
As a taxpayer, aka your boss I ask.
1. Why is your service Hemmoraging staff and morale?
2. Why is whats left falling down around their ears?
3. Where are the men telling you this?
4. Why are troops being sent out under equipped, supported and relieved?
5. Why does nearly every new project spiral way over budget?
6. Why does civilianising and outsourcing benefit the troops?
7. Why do you think a company that makes a profit and whose primary responsibility is to its shareholders should be allowed within the main gate of any station?
8. Would you make any inquiry into the relationships with these companies and past/present senior officers?
9. Do you know what the corruption means?
10. Do you know what the term "too many chiefs and not enough indians means"?
11. JPA? WHY?
12. How will having a civil SAR force benefit the members of HM forces downed behind enemy lines?
13. How can you sleep at night given the problems with all three services?
14. Do you regret the "Train" comments given the vast spike in PVR's
15. Why has the BOI in to the Khandahar Nimrod taken soooooo long.
16. What is your thoughts on the critical mass personnel number of the RAF.
17. How ashamed are you of the care our injured troops recieve?
18. How long before the Can Do attitude fails?
19. Are you aware that doing more with less has turned into everything with nothing?
20. Would you risk your pension on any of the above?
21. Is there a plan for conscription on the cards?
Pm me if you wish Mr Torpy (sp?)
Also you will notice the lack of respect due to the rank. Were I still serving I would pay the due compliment, but as a civvy I would not pi** on you or anyone at MOD if you were on fire. It is of my unhumble (and possibly wrong) opinion you have all sold the forces of this nation down the river.
cornish-stormrider, I can give you the theoretical answer to 6, the civilianisation/outsourcing is making savings, so we are told, those monetery savings were supposed to benefit the troops, the backside of this is it was also supposed to release more troops from depth maintenance to forward where they are deemed to be required.
Problem with the monetary savings these appear to have disappeared into the black hole of the Government/MOD, and the manpower, these same people decided to save even more by actually getting rid of them instead of using them on the frontline, as they where going to.
With regards to question 7, so what, no civvie company that produces goods works for patriotic reasons i.e. for no profit (or that does not benefit their shareholders, who are expecting a return on their money), not even the NAAFI (despite their protest to the contrary), and rather than waste existing facilities, would it not make financial sense to use them. It costs a lot more to send aircraft to a civvie site (or another RAF one) than it does to use the on station facilities.
Problem with the monetary savings these appear to have disappeared into the black hole of the Government/MOD, and the manpower, these same people decided to save even more by actually getting rid of them instead of using them on the frontline, as they where going to.
With regards to question 7, so what, no civvie company that produces goods works for patriotic reasons i.e. for no profit (or that does not benefit their shareholders, who are expecting a return on their money), not even the NAAFI (despite their protest to the contrary), and rather than waste existing facilities, would it not make financial sense to use them. It costs a lot more to send aircraft to a civvie site (or another RAF one) than it does to use the on station facilities.
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If you have less than 8 years left, you may as well go
Out in two anyway
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GF, kinda missed the point there fella. I bet what is keeping him in is the pension. No matter how much job satisfaction many of us get, the pull factors from outside and the push factors from inside are just getting too great. (WM, sorry if talking tosh on your behalf!)
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It does rather confirm the lack of reality GF currently has tho and what you allude to SB was confirmed by WM in an earlier post.........still ex Cpl who leaves rather disillusioned at 22 then it's not very surprising his fingers not on the pulse
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Thanks South Bound
I bet what is keeping him in is the pension.
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Gas Fitter.
You really are a bit of a Knob. Before you gleefully rub your hands together, this is not a bite, its a statement of fact.
It's tuesday evening, and I have already worked twenty-eight hours this week. I could moan about that, but the fact is, I programmed myself to fly within that period, but I care about what I do, and want to do it to the best of my ability.
I would be the same if I worked in ASDA, and will be when I take up a new career in two years(though hopefully not with ASDA). That doesn't mean things are fine, because they aren't, a fact that seems obvious to everyone but you.
If things were peachy, I would be clammering to accept the offer to sign on til 55, instead of opting to leave at my earliest pension point (which if Seldom is believed, is the same decision you made...apart from my pension being SUBSTANTIALLY larger).
The fact that I am motivated, and contributing a great deal at home and very regularly overseas, is due to my own work ethic, not the fact that the RAF is great.
And to answer your question, if I wasn't leaving in two years, we wouldn't be having this discussion, as I would have long since PVR'd.
Now, I don't know anything about you. You are either a wind up merchant, who hasn't realised the wind up is over, or your a blind obedient fool. But I am satisfied that you are one or the other, but only you know which one. Food for thought mate.
WM
You really are a bit of a Knob. Before you gleefully rub your hands together, this is not a bite, its a statement of fact.
It's tuesday evening, and I have already worked twenty-eight hours this week. I could moan about that, but the fact is, I programmed myself to fly within that period, but I care about what I do, and want to do it to the best of my ability.
I would be the same if I worked in ASDA, and will be when I take up a new career in two years(though hopefully not with ASDA). That doesn't mean things are fine, because they aren't, a fact that seems obvious to everyone but you.
If things were peachy, I would be clammering to accept the offer to sign on til 55, instead of opting to leave at my earliest pension point (which if Seldom is believed, is the same decision you made...apart from my pension being SUBSTANTIALLY larger).
The fact that I am motivated, and contributing a great deal at home and very regularly overseas, is due to my own work ethic, not the fact that the RAF is great.
And to answer your question, if I wasn't leaving in two years, we wouldn't be having this discussion, as I would have long since PVR'd.
Now, I don't know anything about you. You are either a wind up merchant, who hasn't realised the wind up is over, or your a blind obedient fool. But I am satisfied that you are one or the other, but only you know which one. Food for thought mate.
WM