PVR rates at 10 year high.
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Originally Posted by Scapegoat
Slight thread drift. Out of the country at present but have heard that Innsworth is closed due to the floods in Glos. If this is true then PVRs won't be actioned until the PMA (now ACOS Manning I believe) deskies get back.
Any news on when they might get back in?
Any news on when they might get back in?
Of course, one would hope that something as important as a PVR would still be boarded correctly despite the Innsworth problem; that said, I'm not sure where it is boarded or by whom (the application states that it's the Air Force Board's decision, but I suspect they're a tad busy!).
Whatever, I hope they don't keep me and others waiting for long, because I have my future to plan!!
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A very nice letter came through the post in a very nice blue envelope.
Believe it or not VVHA, other services may actually do things a different way to what VVHA knows about.
Maybe, just maybe, you will think of the junior services, before making yourself look an even bigger pr@t than normal.
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I remember one 'feast of the passover', the New Year's eve ball (remember them?) when the Staish read out the list of names. One Eng O had been seen earlier but was no longer there at midnight.
A runner was despatched and he was brought down to the ballroom. We were all in Mess Kit and he was resplendent in RAF Issue blue and white striped wincette pyjama, a woolly dressing gown and carpet slippers to be told, unbelievingly, that he was now a sqn ldr. He left the unit 3 days later as in those days posting followed promotion.
A runner was despatched and he was brought down to the ballroom. We were all in Mess Kit and he was resplendent in RAF Issue blue and white striped wincette pyjama, a woolly dressing gown and carpet slippers to be told, unbelievingly, that he was now a sqn ldr. He left the unit 3 days later as in those days posting followed promotion.
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Meeeeow!
Ouch, that hit the spot!
I think we get letters, RAF, because they, PMA, are not exactly sure where we are so can't really signal us or call us on a telephone. They know that the postal system was contracted out some time ago and thus it will eventually get to the individual after several re-directions - without giving rise to a viable customer complaint because the target for contract payment is under 3 re-directions and within 60 days. And, since their minimum notice to the said person is 60 days for a posting from issue of the letter they will be within their own 'Customer charter' and 'Mission statement'. Thus the system is fit-for-purpose with minimal inherent risk from the customer interface [desky]
The fact that the poor old promoted person is now late for the course he was supposed to be on pre his [or her] promotion is irrelevant and actually just highlights that in the next rank they need to step up to the plate regarding their own admin skills. However, sadly it is too late to stop the payment being taken from their pay for the course they failed to attend. Moreover, since they have not attended, they can not be promoted, a letter will follow in the next 60 days detailing the recovery method of the overissue of pay at the higher promoted rate. It is intended to repay the course food fees at 0.0001p per quarter over the next 90 years and reclaim the overissue of pay in a lump sum next week. This will mean said person will have zero pay for XXX months.
You couldn't make it up -----actually I did! But you know what I mean!
I think we get letters, RAF, because they, PMA, are not exactly sure where we are so can't really signal us or call us on a telephone. They know that the postal system was contracted out some time ago and thus it will eventually get to the individual after several re-directions - without giving rise to a viable customer complaint because the target for contract payment is under 3 re-directions and within 60 days. And, since their minimum notice to the said person is 60 days for a posting from issue of the letter they will be within their own 'Customer charter' and 'Mission statement'. Thus the system is fit-for-purpose with minimal inherent risk from the customer interface [desky]
The fact that the poor old promoted person is now late for the course he was supposed to be on pre his [or her] promotion is irrelevant and actually just highlights that in the next rank they need to step up to the plate regarding their own admin skills. However, sadly it is too late to stop the payment being taken from their pay for the course they failed to attend. Moreover, since they have not attended, they can not be promoted, a letter will follow in the next 60 days detailing the recovery method of the overissue of pay at the higher promoted rate. It is intended to repay the course food fees at 0.0001p per quarter over the next 90 years and reclaim the overissue of pay in a lump sum next week. This will mean said person will have zero pay for XXX months.
You couldn't make it up -----actually I did! But you know what I mean!
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ZH875... Of course I will. No problem.
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Whilst I'm here, would you mind editing your post and replacing it with something in English? Just in case you might make yourself look like an even bigger pr@t.
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Whilst I'm here, would you mind editing your post and replacing it with something in English? Just in case you might make yourself look like an even bigger pr@t.
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This has been in interesting thread, and here is my tuppence for what it is worth. I have recently left and found a job almost immediately flying offshore. I left for all the reasons stated. I enjoyed most of my time, but like many got ground down by the little things, of which there were so many. Most of these boiled down to the current and abismal penny pinching everywhere. JPA was really the final straw, and actually quite a large motivator in my case. There are many jobs outside, so the decision is not as hard as some may think. The Armed Forces in general are treating its people with an appalling lack of concern, and that is manifesting itself in many ways. Not wanting to rub it in, but the grass is definitley greener in the other side. My admin is all taken care of by the HR dept. Whenever I go away the hotel is booked, hire car is waiting and extra allowance goes straight into my bank account, without me having to fill out 7 forms in triplicate, apply on line to be told my application is waiting for approval, only to never appear. If there is a problem, I speak to a real person in a real office face to face, and it is sorted straight away (didn't it used to be like that?) I dont even need to worry about it. I can just focus on my job, and my time off is just that.
I find it very depressing the way the forces are going. I will miss some great people, and some good times, but not the appalling organisation. Unless things start to change very soon, and the focus moves back to proper man management and good old fashioned leadership, the current problems are going to continue to increase, and we really will see a crisis.
Rant over!!
I find it very depressing the way the forces are going. I will miss some great people, and some good times, but not the appalling organisation. Unless things start to change very soon, and the focus moves back to proper man management and good old fashioned leadership, the current problems are going to continue to increase, and we really will see a crisis.
Rant over!!
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HB, this sense of being valued again, appears to be a common theme amongst those who have recently left. Does make you wonder about the computerised man-management in the RAF. God knows what will happen when it impacts the Army. The surprise by how well looked after you are in the commercial world is a real eye-opener to everyone who experiences it!
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Nigegilb,
I couldn't agree more and it is so refreshing to experience. Going on a course? Got to lodge? Speak to one person in HR on the phone, all booked. Meals paid for, claim back expenses just receipts required. Couldn't be easier and no sharing rooms thank you!
Of course the big difference is that if my company hacks me off I can truly cost it dearly just by being inflexible. My good will is proportional to the size of my overtime cheque!
Like Horror box I also find this very depressing..
I couldn't agree more and it is so refreshing to experience. Going on a course? Got to lodge? Speak to one person in HR on the phone, all booked. Meals paid for, claim back expenses just receipts required. Couldn't be easier and no sharing rooms thank you!
Of course the big difference is that if my company hacks me off I can truly cost it dearly just by being inflexible. My good will is proportional to the size of my overtime cheque!
Like Horror box I also find this very depressing..
New Pension Scheme for Career Spiners
Alegedy a paper is circulating to bring in an incentive to help keep CS guys as the PAS pension is too good. A great way to keep people, but is it affordable across the board or will it be targeted? That will make it even more devisive.
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"The lack of someone that will stand up and fight for the rights of servicemen/women without worrying about their own promotion plan."
The number one reason why overstretch will cost lives/aircraft soon. Manning in some trades not on dets, but left behind is at dangerously low levels. we are close to breaking point but the middle/snr management are too focused on their own careers to make a fuss.
The number one reason why overstretch will cost lives/aircraft soon. Manning in some trades not on dets, but left behind is at dangerously low levels. we are close to breaking point but the middle/snr management are too focused on their own careers to make a fuss.
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Similar experience to Ops Man...I PVR'd last yr, after 11 yrs in. PVR was readily accepted, with the words 'Despite _______ exceptional operational ability, under current manning circumstances we can not support deferment...' blah...
Basically, there is no manning problem, as the RAF is being slimmed to fit a strength of 42000 odd...but with that figure, we can't sustain ops methinks...hence groundrush to quit Iraq.
Anyhoo, I too was asked what could be done to keep me in, 6 months after PVR accepted...Promotion even wafted under my snout...No ta Ma'am.
Basically, there is no manning problem, as the RAF is being slimmed to fit a strength of 42000 odd...but with that figure, we can't sustain ops methinks...hence groundrush to quit Iraq.
Anyhoo, I too was asked what could be done to keep me in, 6 months after PVR accepted...Promotion even wafted under my snout...No ta Ma'am.
