Aircrew rations
Because the Air Force is run for Aircrew, by Aircrew, and the only people that matter are Aircrew.
If you can get flying pay for not flying, why waste flying pay when flying by paying for food.
Just don't ask what the additives are!.
I am not aircrew, I never wanted to be aircrew, and I did well enough at school.
If you can get flying pay for not flying, why waste flying pay when flying by paying for food.
Just don't ask what the additives are!.
I am not aircrew, I never wanted to be aircrew, and I did well enough at school.
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This sort of stuff is why the RAF is going the way it is.... after 25 years I have had enough the towel has been thrown in....
As a Chf Tech I am sick to death of the cuts cuts cuts.. Just done Guard duty 7 days of 13 hours (1/2 hour hand over each end of 12 hour shift)
Thats 91 hours work in a week and not even a butty or a cold cup of tea provided so what was my blood sugar level with a loaded gun in my hands?
And aircrew moan about cuts to their free lunch for god's sake they are on more flying pay than some LAC's and SAC's take home in wages.
Come on Sir's get real and join the club of 'no free lunch's' as the rest of us have to do. Or sort it out for the little people like the LAC's and SAC's on guard shift .......... one rule for the fly boys tough for the rest EH.
Days to do then it's 2 fingers.
As a Chf Tech I am sick to death of the cuts cuts cuts.. Just done Guard duty 7 days of 13 hours (1/2 hour hand over each end of 12 hour shift)
Thats 91 hours work in a week and not even a butty or a cold cup of tea provided so what was my blood sugar level with a loaded gun in my hands?
And aircrew moan about cuts to their free lunch for god's sake they are on more flying pay than some LAC's and SAC's take home in wages.
Come on Sir's get real and join the club of 'no free lunch's' as the rest of us have to do. Or sort it out for the little people like the LAC's and SAC's on guard shift .......... one rule for the fly boys tough for the rest EH.
Days to do then it's 2 fingers.
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: St Sardos, France
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Bla etc
Old Yeller...........glad you kept it at "NCO Aircrew" there, chap!
As you will be aware my argument was it is just not Aircrew that need proper feeding to stay in tip top shape.
rgds
MoJo
As you will be aware my argument was it is just not Aircrew that need proper feeding to stay in tip top shape.
rgds
MoJo
Join Date: May 2007
Location: ISK
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Blood Sugar argument has got to be the crappiest I have read on this thread. If you are working hard physically then it may affect it. But sitting on your fat ass, I don't think so.
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Blood Sugar argument has got to be the crappiest I have read on this thread. If you are working hard physically then it may affect it. But sitting on your fat ass, I don't think so.
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Oxon
Age: 66
Posts: 1,942
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I had hoped the bimbo had gone off to do the ironing but she seems to still be bleating 
"But sitting on your fat ass, I don't think so."
I just love that, well done chap as that is such an informed comment
"But sitting on your fat ass, I don't think so."
I just love that, well done chap as that is such an informed comment
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Lincs
Posts: 695
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
sffp
We are clearly wasting our time here, so I would suggest we just give up gracefully and let these bleating, whinging groundies get on with it.
But with immediate effect, I think that the next time I see one member of the groundcrew take a single teabag of an aircraft, a half jar of coffee or anything, I will report the matter to the RAFP. So beware groundies, those of you who are doing all the bleating, make sure you let all your mates know that the end is certainly nigh!
TSM
God, you'll be bleating next because you don't get flying pay like us!!
We are clearly wasting our time here, so I would suggest we just give up gracefully and let these bleating, whinging groundies get on with it.
But with immediate effect, I think that the next time I see one member of the groundcrew take a single teabag of an aircraft, a half jar of coffee or anything, I will report the matter to the RAFP. So beware groundies, those of you who are doing all the bleating, make sure you let all your mates know that the end is certainly nigh!
TSM
God, you'll be bleating next because you don't get flying pay like us!!
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
I think we could save a lot of money by abolishing the Aviation Medicine Training Centre. Clearly, over the past 50 odd years the doctors there have been talking a load of bollocks.
Equally that parsimonious CinC of Bomber Command who set up basic dispersals throughout the country missed a trick when he allowed the caterers to set up aircrew feeders at all the main bases AND at the dispersals.
Equally that parsimonious CinC of Bomber Command who set up basic dispersals throughout the country missed a trick when he allowed the caterers to set up aircrew feeders at all the main bases AND at the dispersals.
Guest
Posts: n/a
An embarrassment
This thread is starting to cross the line between fairly enjoyable, rumour-fuelled banter to a pathetic argument between people who work on the same side, usually for similar reasons.
As someone who used to work in an engineering capacity, for the greener of our three services, I can understand the feeling that those working to keep the aircraft fit can get - that is, that they are sometimes taken for granted and are getting the ****ty end of the stick. You work your pods (or tits) off for very little in the way of thanks, often having to graft an inordinate amount of hours just to achieve the bare minimum. And no-one is trying to imply that you are any less intelligent than anyone else; my professianal quals and degree were gained as an engineer, not as an aircrewman.
As someone who transferred into the RAF as aircrew, it is irksome to see that a minority of non-aircrew feel the need to direct their problems at us. Trust me, your efforts are recognised but the respect will fall away quickly if the bitchiness continues.
I'm sure this was said earlier in the thread but I reckon it needs repeating. We are all on the same side ffs. Groundcrew, instead of trying to make sure that someone isn't getting more than you, try to redirect the effort into getting something that most would say you are entitled to.....rationing during your shift. It is a long time to be at work and in the same way that the aircrews need to be sustained, so do the others that make every sortie possible. Where and why did the feeders go anyway?
I hope that many of those posted on this thread agree with me in saying that it has run its course and, the right to express your opinion withstanding, needs to die the appropriate death.
Other services who look at this forum are laughing at this thread. It is starting to read like squabbling kids in the school playground.
As someone who used to work in an engineering capacity, for the greener of our three services, I can understand the feeling that those working to keep the aircraft fit can get - that is, that they are sometimes taken for granted and are getting the ****ty end of the stick. You work your pods (or tits) off for very little in the way of thanks, often having to graft an inordinate amount of hours just to achieve the bare minimum. And no-one is trying to imply that you are any less intelligent than anyone else; my professianal quals and degree were gained as an engineer, not as an aircrewman.
As someone who transferred into the RAF as aircrew, it is irksome to see that a minority of non-aircrew feel the need to direct their problems at us. Trust me, your efforts are recognised but the respect will fall away quickly if the bitchiness continues.
I'm sure this was said earlier in the thread but I reckon it needs repeating. We are all on the same side ffs. Groundcrew, instead of trying to make sure that someone isn't getting more than you, try to redirect the effort into getting something that most would say you are entitled to.....rationing during your shift. It is a long time to be at work and in the same way that the aircrews need to be sustained, so do the others that make every sortie possible. Where and why did the feeders go anyway?
I hope that many of those posted on this thread agree with me in saying that it has run its course and, the right to express your opinion withstanding, needs to die the appropriate death.
Other services who look at this forum are laughing at this thread. It is starting to read like squabbling kids in the school playground.
Last edited by XferSymbol; 28th May 2007 at 21:24. Reason: spelling
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
So the blood sugar levels argument is a load of cr@p is it? Shame they wasted all those months and months on the B52 fleet, airborne 24 hours at a time with crews all on different feeding, sleeping and cockpit lighting scenarios isn't it?
Each group were studied by medics before, during and after flight and throughout the period of the test whilst on the ground. The USAF eventually produced a book two inches thick on the subject.
There is a mass of information available from this and other publications on the subject and a few of the conclusions drawn were: Prior to flying, about two and a half hours, a substantial meal high in protein, during the flight liquid at least every twenty minutes and a high carbohydrate snack every thirty minutes to sustain hydration and sugar levels at the optimum for carrying out the airborne duty without quality of work suffering in any way. Where snacks are not available suitable meals should be eaten at regular intervals.
There are pages and pages on sleeping patterns, recommended and not recommended etc. and an interesting one about cockpit lighting, if not required off for tactical reasons then by keeping the cockpit as bright as possible/reasonable fatigue can be reduced by as much as 75%, something to do with the brain not releasing the natural melatonin because keeping the lights on fools the brain into thinking it is still day.
So for those of you who have come to the stunning conclusion that blood sugar levels of crew are unimportant I suggest you contact your nearest Specialist in Aviation Medicine.
Each group were studied by medics before, during and after flight and throughout the period of the test whilst on the ground. The USAF eventually produced a book two inches thick on the subject.
There is a mass of information available from this and other publications on the subject and a few of the conclusions drawn were: Prior to flying, about two and a half hours, a substantial meal high in protein, during the flight liquid at least every twenty minutes and a high carbohydrate snack every thirty minutes to sustain hydration and sugar levels at the optimum for carrying out the airborne duty without quality of work suffering in any way. Where snacks are not available suitable meals should be eaten at regular intervals.
There are pages and pages on sleeping patterns, recommended and not recommended etc. and an interesting one about cockpit lighting, if not required off for tactical reasons then by keeping the cockpit as bright as possible/reasonable fatigue can be reduced by as much as 75%, something to do with the brain not releasing the natural melatonin because keeping the lights on fools the brain into thinking it is still day.
So for those of you who have come to the stunning conclusion that blood sugar levels of crew are unimportant I suggest you contact your nearest Specialist in Aviation Medicine.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Lincs
Posts: 695
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
toddbabe,
Clearly your own blood-sugar level has plummeted to a level where you either cannot read, cannot understand or you have just gone completely bonkers! You had better enrole as aircrew fast, and get the level back up to that of a normal human being my dear lady.
Clearly my threat to 'grass you up' to the cops, the next time you nick the aircrew rations, has touched a nerve, and I detect you are trying to find reverse mode. There have been several explanations on this thread, from eminantly qualified people, explaining why we get rationed, however you feel they are not good enough, so you keep banging on, asking the same question.
I notice that you never answer a single question ever put to you though. So let me give you just 2 if I may:
1 Justify to me why you should get your shoes, trousers (or skirts) shirts, hats and everything else absolutely 'scot free' please, when I and every other officer has to pay for theirs.
2 Justify to me why, whenever we take any groundcrew flying, for any reason at all, they also get free food.
If you can answer those points I would be most grateful. If you can't, I would suggest you get back into your littlle crew room (the one with all the aircrew rations in it) and shut the %$£% up! Because you are as sure as hell making a real arse of yourself ma'am.
TSM
Clearly your own blood-sugar level has plummeted to a level where you either cannot read, cannot understand or you have just gone completely bonkers! You had better enrole as aircrew fast, and get the level back up to that of a normal human being my dear lady.
Clearly my threat to 'grass you up' to the cops, the next time you nick the aircrew rations, has touched a nerve, and I detect you are trying to find reverse mode. There have been several explanations on this thread, from eminantly qualified people, explaining why we get rationed, however you feel they are not good enough, so you keep banging on, asking the same question.
I notice that you never answer a single question ever put to you though. So let me give you just 2 if I may:
1 Justify to me why you should get your shoes, trousers (or skirts) shirts, hats and everything else absolutely 'scot free' please, when I and every other officer has to pay for theirs.
2 Justify to me why, whenever we take any groundcrew flying, for any reason at all, they also get free food.
If you can answer those points I would be most grateful. If you can't, I would suggest you get back into your littlle crew room (the one with all the aircrew rations in it) and shut the %$£% up! Because you are as sure as hell making a real arse of yourself ma'am.
TSM
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
parabellum,
This is an interesting one which I discovered back on the Vulcan. After a good night's sleep and a social hours sortie, I found myself yawning my head off before I got in the aircraft.
I suddenly realised that the brain knew I was going into a relatively warm, cosy, darkened environment, ideal for a snooze. As a Nav rad of course bright lights were a no no.
an interesting one about cockpit lighting, if not required off for tactical reasons then by keeping the cockpit as bright as possible/reasonable fatigue can be reduced by as much as 75%, something to do with the brain not releasing the natural melatonin because keeping the lights on fools the brain into thinking it is still day
I suddenly realised that the brain knew I was going into a relatively warm, cosy, darkened environment, ideal for a snooze. As a Nav rad of course bright lights were a no no.
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 502
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ah, Pontious, thank you for bring us back to earth. Remember bumming a trip in a Shack from Leeming up to Lossie (or maybe it should be voyage), but anyway, was very well looked after by the crew. They sat me in the front turret, with a stupendous view and a hot pie every 20 minutes.....
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: my own, private hell
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Free uniform
I notice that you never answer a single question ever put to you though. So let me give you just 2 if I may:
1 Justify to me why you should get your shoes, trousers (or skirts) shirts, hats and everything else absolutely 'scot free' please, when I and every other officer has to pay for theirs.
1 Justify to me why you should get your shoes, trousers (or skirts) shirts, hats and everything else absolutely 'scot free' please, when I and every other officer has to pay for theirs.