Bulldog vs. Tutor
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I can boast (if that's the right word) just shy of 90 hours in XX699 between Dec 1979 and Aug 1986.
I can't say that I've ever been very impressed by the T67, having flown the A, C, M and M260. As a primary trainer, first choice for me has to be the Chippie followed by the Dog.
I can't say that I've ever been very impressed by the T67, having flown the A, C, M and M260. As a primary trainer, first choice for me has to be the Chippie followed by the Dog.
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I thought the Bulldog was terribly unreliable - on my UAS FHT the engine failed 13 times, the radio failed for 10 minutes, then the control column was jammed for 5 minutes during an approach.![Thumb](https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif)
Other than that, I preferred it to the Chippie for visibility (though I've flown an ex-RCAF Chippie with a bubble canopy, which was great) and to the Tutor for aeros. It also had a more robust feel than the others, which I thought eased the transition to jets.
We shouldn't forget the unrecoverable flat spin though, which one way or another claimed a few.
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Other than that, I preferred it to the Chippie for visibility (though I've flown an ex-RCAF Chippie with a bubble canopy, which was great) and to the Tutor for aeros. It also had a more robust feel than the others, which I thought eased the transition to jets.
We shouldn't forget the unrecoverable flat spin though, which one way or another claimed a few.
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We shouldn't forget the unrecoverable flat spin though, which one way or another claimed a few.
I only had it the once, student put it high rotational and it didn't recover, I held anti-spin and was just about to jump when it recovered.
During summer camp one year one of our dog crews returned a little pale from going high rotational,i was volunteered to investigate...all i could find wrong with the a/c was that the elev tab was set lower than usual,but istr that the tab setting procedure was a little vague anyway.
After adjustment the a/c span (sic) a little slower than usual but the boss was happy with that,but i had some interesting conversations with various people who did not seem to realise that with the stick on the stop then the tab is just part of the trailing edge![Cool](https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/cool.gif)
As a fitter with some flying experience I found the dog very pleasant to fly,but it was easier for me to get rides in 6 AEF chippies and they were an absolute delight to fly (except you couldnt see where you were going
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Never flown in a tutor but any offers gratefully received LOL
After adjustment the a/c span (sic) a little slower than usual but the boss was happy with that,but i had some interesting conversations with various people who did not seem to realise that with the stick on the stop then the tab is just part of the trailing edge
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As a fitter with some flying experience I found the dog very pleasant to fly,but it was easier for me to get rides in 6 AEF chippies and they were an absolute delight to fly (except you couldnt see where you were going
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Never flown in a tutor but any offers gratefully received LOL
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Lots hours in 'dog, quite a few in FF260 not very many at all in das Tutor (out of choice).
Going back some - re 'flicking':
I do! Fun it may be but if something has no appliaction in your chosen profession, they why do it? It could is 'negative training' of a most insidious kind - teach them the recovery from doing so unintentionally maybe. Otherwise, who knows what some daft idjut may do in the heat of the moment in a bigger, more expensive piece of military hardware?
just my tuppennies worth.
Going back some - re 'flicking':
....who cares that this has no military application?
just my tuppennies worth.
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We shouldn't forget the unrecoverable flat spin though, which one way or another claimed a few.
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Thanks for that guys, any info is much appreciated. I have recently purchased XX699, its here in Australia and almost ready to fly. Wont be long before I have 90 hours in it also
at the moment only 1.5 hours in her back in UK. Its the second one to hit our shores, the other being a Swedish version. Will keep XX699 in full RAF livery. Cant believe how much interest she has created already. Would also like to locate the FRC's if possible, maybe even a couple of suits from the day.
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Fox3WheresMyBanana was that xx699 or Bulldogs in general
What on earth are you all talking about - bring back the JP for all-through jet training. A great many pilots of the 60's and 70's never saw anything like the Chippie or Bulldog before front line service.
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