SAR privatisation
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FayDeck,
Whoops! Just re-read the front cover of the SRD! So much for studying that then! Still it was supposed to be Harmonised! My point stands just the way I got there!
Down to 3 bidders now.
Whoops! Just re-read the front cover of the SRD! So much for studying that then! Still it was supposed to be Harmonised! My point stands just the way I got there!
Down to 3 bidders now.
Maroonman4 - sorry re AAC but I get all my best exercise from jumping to conclusions
However re CV, yes I think it is that simple (I haven't done it myself so I can't say for sure). I think I would ring them up first and check exactly who you should send it to since CHC is a big outfit with heli ops all round the world and you want to be part of a relatively small section of that outfit.
I think there is a big pile of Mil or ex mil CVs in not only their intray but others, just waiting to see what happens. Good Luck.
However re CV, yes I think it is that simple (I haven't done it myself so I can't say for sure). I think I would ring them up first and check exactly who you should send it to since CHC is a big outfit with heli ops all round the world and you want to be part of a relatively small section of that outfit.I think there is a big pile of Mil or ex mil CVs in not only their intray but others, just waiting to see what happens. Good Luck.
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Oh dear, how does the real world survive. SAR experience? So as a new boy on the block, just out of SKOCU as rear crew, who helps out when the phone goes ring on my first job at my first unit? Everyone starts somewhere, and those first few jobs are pretty scarey, but you get on with them and learn from experience. No different to most jobs really! Your argument is totally invalid. Apply the theory and build the experience, same as anywhere....
winchcontrol - it only works because you have had sufficient training to allow you to be let loose on your own. Imagine not having had the benefit of SARTU, the SKOCU and Sqn acceptance to prepare you - I think that is where Vie-s-f is coming from.
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Jack Ryan,
If that is how you feel you obviously miss the whole point of Prune - this is a 'crewroom' and I can honestly say that I have learned a lot from my Fast Jet and AT bretheren on their threads by purely 'lurking'.
And on this particular thread, being a non-SAR boy/girl then the open and free discussion is very interesting - including the coffee/bar style banter disagreements. Especially if I am looking for a second career in that direction.
If we didn't have the full open discussions that take place on Prune, serious through to the banter (and even the ridiculous on occasions) then (a) we might as well not have any discussion and ready the official documentation/publications (b) how dull it would be.
I freely admit I need a life on a Saturday night and am now departing, but please lighten up Jack - no damage is being caused to potential contracts and no secrets being passed on.
If that is how you feel you obviously miss the whole point of Prune - this is a 'crewroom' and I can honestly say that I have learned a lot from my Fast Jet and AT bretheren on their threads by purely 'lurking'.
And on this particular thread, being a non-SAR boy/girl then the open and free discussion is very interesting - including the coffee/bar style banter disagreements. Especially if I am looking for a second career in that direction.
If we didn't have the full open discussions that take place on Prune, serious through to the banter (and even the ridiculous on occasions) then (a) we might as well not have any discussion and ready the official documentation/publications (b) how dull it would be.
I freely admit I need a life on a Saturday night and am now departing, but please lighten up Jack - no damage is being caused to potential contracts and no secrets being passed on.
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Sorry, JackRyan, obviously my brain is gone from working in OZ! for the last 6 months.. so I'm not just next door, but about 8000 miles away!However I do have an affinity with the argument and regardless, given the number of winchman that pass out of SARTU per year, whilst the training is excellent, It is still scarey day one on your own, first cas..!!!
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MaroonMan, I think you missed my point. Both Winch Control and Crab have locations which suggested (wrongly on Winch Control's part) they both work at the RAF's elite top secret SAR base between Barnstaple and Braunton. Being at the same physical location would afford the lucky couple the opportunity to bypass what some might term 'the middle man' and have a face-to-face chat since they seemed to share the same crewroom. I was not implying that any of this shouldn't be discussed here...
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The case for replacing the Sea King?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/7082053.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/7082053.stm
Paul Coleman is a fine chap and has told it like it is.
Would the RAF spokesman like to tell us why there are no oleos in the spares system, why we are changing Main gearboxes like it is going out of fashion and why it is going to get worse as the groundcrew are civilianised and replaced with inexperienced technicians. Some of the guys going to the FI, finish their Sea King course (provided by the RAF) 2 days before they fly down South!
DARA can't cope with the depth servicing so HMF is going to be re-invented at Leconfield and Westland are too preoccupied with sorting their presidential 101 fiasco out to keep their eye on the UK ball.
The fact is that we won't fly unserviceable aircraft so availability, or lack of it, will eventually force a solution. SAR H in 2010 anyone?
Would the RAF spokesman like to tell us why there are no oleos in the spares system, why we are changing Main gearboxes like it is going out of fashion and why it is going to get worse as the groundcrew are civilianised and replaced with inexperienced technicians. Some of the guys going to the FI, finish their Sea King course (provided by the RAF) 2 days before they fly down South!
DARA can't cope with the depth servicing so HMF is going to be re-invented at Leconfield and Westland are too preoccupied with sorting their presidential 101 fiasco out to keep their eye on the UK ball.
The fact is that we won't fly unserviceable aircraft so availability, or lack of it, will eventually force a solution. SAR H in 2010 anyone?
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Good for PC, in my experience the single biggest difference between Mil and Civil SAR is the serviceability of the aircraft. Modern reliable aircraft make the job so much easier. It's just a shame that those at the top are in denial.
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An RAF spokesman told people not to worry and said the availability from its helicopters was "second to none".
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Ancient Aircraft
The ancient ac slant is a trifle misleading. The S61s that have been used on civilian SAR contracts for many years are also old. The news reports imply that the RAF SAR Force is failing due to poor serviceability. This may be true but are we comparing their stats to those achieved by their civilian counterparts. How many days do the contractors have ac off state? If their like for like serviceability is higher than the RAF or RN then the argument based on the age of the ac alone falls down.
Does anyone know the stats for the civilian contractors?
Does anyone know the stats for the civilian contractors?