Goodbye Stn Life as we know it...
Alba
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To quote Grimweasel;
Super PAYD indeed. Contract out all messing / bars / club bars etc. Something about 5 key areas, concerning civilianising the PEdO branch. All minor works etc for Gyms / Messes / Club bldgs etc will be financed thru the money made by hiring out the mess / facilities. So you want a dinner night in the mess, sorry Sir XBN PLC are in that night. U go to the Gym at lunch to find all the equipment being used by Jo Civi from down the town!
If Grimweasel is correct, can somebody enlighten me to the security implications of letting every man and his dog to use facilities, especially messes, inside the wire?
Super PAYD indeed. Contract out all messing / bars / club bars etc. Something about 5 key areas, concerning civilianising the PEdO branch. All minor works etc for Gyms / Messes / Club bldgs etc will be financed thru the money made by hiring out the mess / facilities. So you want a dinner night in the mess, sorry Sir XBN PLC are in that night. U go to the Gym at lunch to find all the equipment being used by Jo Civi from down the town!
If Grimweasel is correct, can somebody enlighten me to the security implications of letting every man and his dog to use facilities, especially messes, inside the wire?
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well said coo, me thinks this has been blown out of all proportion, I see nothing but good out of PAYD, flexibility for those living in has been what people have been wanting for years.
It's nothing new either Cottesmore trialled the original PAYD some ten/fifteen years ago if my memory serves me correct.
It's nothing new either Cottesmore trialled the original PAYD some ten/fifteen years ago if my memory serves me correct.
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Widger...
I wonder which mess you belong to...??? maybe the WO & SR is like that but the Wardroom is V V good. As a Liver-in I am financially better off and the food is just as good.
VecVeccock,
Once again your comments on this fora demonstrate your complete lack of any grasp of reality.
On the subject of PAYD, it is of iterest that your allowance for lunch (£1.20 I think) only covers soup and a roll, which is about 30-40p. So the contractor makes a profit. If you want a proper lunch, you have to pay extra, so the contractor makes a profit. I am not against the contractor making a profit as such but, they have to provide a meal that matches the allowance.
The food is NOT as good as before. Ice Cream after your lunch? where has that gone. Oh yes, you have to pay extra. To see how proper PAYD works, get a trip to Swanwick to see value and good food. This is however, a some expense in subsidy by the company.
I will treat your latter remarks with the contempt they deserve!
Once again your comments on this fora demonstrate your complete lack of any grasp of reality.
On the subject of PAYD, it is of iterest that your allowance for lunch (£1.20 I think) only covers soup and a roll, which is about 30-40p. So the contractor makes a profit. If you want a proper lunch, you have to pay extra, so the contractor makes a profit. I am not against the contractor making a profit as such but, they have to provide a meal that matches the allowance.
The food is NOT as good as before. Ice Cream after your lunch? where has that gone. Oh yes, you have to pay extra. To see how proper PAYD works, get a trip to Swanwick to see value and good food. This is however, a some expense in subsidy by the company.
I will treat your latter remarks with the contempt they deserve!
PAYD is going to hit those who are used to "healthy" portions (size wise) particularly when you get charged per round of toast, slab of butter or glass of orange juice at breakfast (for instance). The days of self service bacon butties are long gone!
In terms of dining in nights the biggest issue is the overtime that kicks in at midnight. But if that means the speeches are shorter to get to the bar earlier than its got to be a good thing.
In terms of dining in nights the biggest issue is the overtime that kicks in at midnight. But if that means the speeches are shorter to get to the bar earlier than its got to be a good thing.
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Roland Pulfrew
I choose not to use the mess then it is robbery that I have to pay for it.
As you say if I don't like the rules leave I have left the mess I never use it so why do I still have to pay for it ??? Come on answer that. Don't give me that it goes with the rank ........har har har.
Messess are for old has beens that need to be jacked up to look good and who like the stupid rules that go with them. Scrap them or make those who live in them pay for them in full.
And blogger you are part of the club, don't like the rules of belonging? Leave! Your choice. You are not "robbbed", you choose to live remotely from your base, so do I, some 80 miles remote so I have to live in, like many others. It's not just new to the service personnel that live in. Many of us have chosen to do exactly what you have done, but because the Service chooses to post us a long way from our chosen home we cannot commute. Why should we have to subsidise a commercial profit making organisation because HMT does not fund the Armed Forces sufficiently?
As you say if I don't like the rules leave I have left the mess I never use it so why do I still have to pay for it ??? Come on answer that. Don't give me that it goes with the rank ........har har har.
Messess are for old has beens that need to be jacked up to look good and who like the stupid rules that go with them. Scrap them or make those who live in them pay for them in full.
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toddbabe
.................... Cottesmore trialled the original PAYD some fifteen years ago if my memory serves me correct.
The first trials that I can remember were while I was stationed at RAF Episkopi, Cyprus during the period 1970 -1973. Although it was a different system that was on trial then, (God I feel old) for those who wanted to eat in the messes it was a crap experiment. I suspect it is not much better now. As most of the services are now stationed in UK the choice of where to purchase their food is not such a problem. Also we were not permitted any food in the accommodation and a fridge would have been a bit of a give-a-way.
'We knew how to whinge but we kept it in the NAAFI bar.'
