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No, it was the "park brake"! Sorry, couldn't help that one!.....those who know what I'm talking about may have a chuckle 
The manoeuvre they flew is what's called a "fly-in arrestment". ie: the hook engages the cable before the wheels (or aircraft) touch the ground. This technique is used when you have a gear stub and no wheel or no gear in this case. Landing with a gear stub only (no wheel etc) will cause a RAPID runway departure on touchdown and no gear as mentioned would trash the cable as you slide over it.
The extra thump onto the deck from a fly-in arrestment would be better than sliding down the runway and possibly spinning around & departing the runway. Plus, less sliding = less heat/friction/airframe ripping to bits & possibility of fireball etc.
Oh, and it was a BRAND NEW runway surface too!! Only weeks old. Those contractors will be loving the extra work!
The manoeuvre they flew is what's called a "fly-in arrestment". ie: the hook engages the cable before the wheels (or aircraft) touch the ground. This technique is used when you have a gear stub and no wheel or no gear in this case. Landing with a gear stub only (no wheel etc) will cause a RAPID runway departure on touchdown and no gear as mentioned would trash the cable as you slide over it.
The extra thump onto the deck from a fly-in arrestment would be better than sliding down the runway and possibly spinning around & departing the runway. Plus, less sliding = less heat/friction/airframe ripping to bits & possibility of fireball etc.
Oh, and it was a BRAND NEW runway surface too!! Only weeks old. Those contractors will be loving the extra work!
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Was a young fellah at Amberley when the Singaporean Hunter did a belly up on its drops....another specky and well handled arrival.
The F111 footage made all the news services and cable networks over here in the sandpit, Sky UK was running it quite regularly. Reasonable reporting too which makes a change.
I know the Bak 12/14 cable system is a permanent fixture each end, the media reported it taking a second wire not the first (one issue I was a little skeptical about), was the portable rig set up too as a back up...sorry geek question!
Bl**dy well done though!
The F111 footage made all the news services and cable networks over here in the sandpit, Sky UK was running it quite regularly. Reasonable reporting too which makes a change.
I know the Bak 12/14 cable system is a permanent fixture each end, the media reported it taking a second wire not the first (one issue I was a little skeptical about), was the portable rig set up too as a back up...sorry geek question!
Bl**dy well done though!
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Many years ago, when the RAN FAA was real and had A4's, after a mid-air which left one dead and one without a serviceable u/c it became SOP to fly with large, empty jugs when conducting missions such as DLP so that a belly landing could be carried out sans u/c.
At least four such landings were successfully achieved.
-u/c u/s from mid-air
-u/c u/s hit rounddown night dlp
-deployed/lost u/c during highspeed pullout from bomb pass
-lost mainwheel during dlp
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At least four such landings were successfully achieved.
-u/c u/s from mid-air
-u/c u/s hit rounddown night dlp
-deployed/lost u/c during highspeed pullout from bomb pass
-lost mainwheel during dlp
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Ah yes. The fleet air arm, fleet air hand, fleet air finger, fleet air fingernail.
NAS Nowra is not what it used to be. Twas a time when a stop over in the mess was worth getting out your cheque book and fronting the base commander in the morning with your hat on. These days, just another way point in the GPS/INS.
Lots of problems. However off the thread. Well done to the PIG crew. RWY 15 at AMB will have a displaced threshold now for sure. Watch out for the X X X 's on the first third!
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NAS Nowra is not what it used to be. Twas a time when a stop over in the mess was worth getting out your cheque book and fronting the base commander in the morning with your hat on. These days, just another way point in the GPS/INS.
Lots of problems. However off the thread. Well done to the PIG crew. RWY 15 at AMB will have a displaced threshold now for sure. Watch out for the X X X 's on the first third!
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There has never been an example of foaming a runway being in any way beneficial other than giving a slight psychological boost.Besides, it is almost impossible to provide a foam path with your standard crash/fire vehicle [Master diversion airfields like Marham had huge tankers towed by tractors years ago] because they have to be capable of producing foam on the move; not all vehicles can do that, and those that can are designed to do it while changing position, not for long periods. Another besides; without special foam laying vehicles, it would take so long to lay a foam path that the beginning would have deteriorated before you got to the end, and that particularly applies using the 'new' type of foam. Meanwhile the aircraft waiting to use it may not have the fuel the F111 had, so all in all, the idea of foam paths went out years ago as being largely impracticable. Great effort by the pilot!
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Beg to differ with your 'never' bit. The carpet of foam laid for the w/u landing shown in my last post was very effective in suppressing fire under the fuse and within the uwts - as well as giving a psych boost!
There has never been an example of foaming a runway being in any way beneficial other than giving a slight psychological boost
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Ah, but you don't know that, which is the point the National Fire Protection Association of America made when it examined known incidents a few years ago. 
There have in fact been very few and all that can be surmised is foam didn't do any harm, but conversely couldn't be shown to be of any use. However, it's academic now because laying foam is almost impossible without purpose-built equipment.
There have in fact been very few and all that can be surmised is foam didn't do any harm, but conversely couldn't be shown to be of any use. However, it's academic now because laying foam is almost impossible without purpose-built equipment.
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Sorry mate, but for every incident like yours, there have been others where the end result was the same! That includes the ex-SAF FGA9 in NZ which was virtually undamaged after a wheels-up.
You weren't one of that excellent group of ex-pats traing the Singapore Air Force and who frequented the bar at the Changi Mess were you?
Have a look here:
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/down...l/20060720.cfm
You weren't one of that excellent group of ex-pats traing the Singapore Air Force and who frequented the bar at the Changi Mess were you?
Have a look here:
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/down...l/20060720.cfm
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Quite correct F3 Snapper
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Your skepticism is well founded. What they probably meant was that they missed on their first attempt. They snagged the one and only BAK 12/14 at that end of Amberfield as planned on their 2nd attempt
Your skepticism is well founded. What they probably meant was that they missed on their first attempt. They snagged the one and only BAK 12/14 at that end of Amberfield as planned on their 2nd attempt
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Well at least they didn't do what a multi-national crew (German/Italian) at Cottesmore did on the mighty Tonka when it first came out. It is 'alleged' that they landed wheels up without realising then had to engage re-heat to taxy. Apparently they got a reasonable distance before the screams from Air Traffic got through to them.
Anybody got first hand knowledge of this one??
Anybody got first hand knowledge of this one??
Any idea why they decided to land vice taking the silk elevator? I know thats a lot of aircraft suspended under the parachute, but if they had caught a wingtip as they touched down wouldn't the result have been disastrous?
In any case, nice one...contrary to the first post, I believe that they ran away as opposed to walking away (exit stage left indeed)
In any case, nice one...contrary to the first post, I believe that they ran away as opposed to walking away (exit stage left indeed)
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The navigator who was in the ejection at Ohakea in New Zealand when they ingested water on take off was the reviewing officer at my graduation at Sale.
In his speach at the graduation dining in he described the landing in the capsule to that of sitting in a wooden rocking chair and jumping off the roof of a one story building....so from that I guess it was worth the risk trying for the wire!
In his speach at the graduation dining in he described the landing in the capsule to that of sitting in a wooden rocking chair and jumping off the roof of a one story building....so from that I guess it was worth the risk trying for the wire!
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Yeah I noticed that too - Warner legs it into the distance about 2 seconds after the jet comes to rest - while the poor bograt is left to fend for himself! 
(Being brand new and conscientious he was probably running through the after landing checks! Would be embarrassing to survive and then catch your foot in the ejection handle during the emergency egress??
Whatever happened to navs helping out their pilots anyway? Always been a bloody militant union.....
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(Being brand new and conscientious he was probably running through the after landing checks! Would be embarrassing to survive and then catch your foot in the ejection handle during the emergency egress??Whatever happened to navs helping out their pilots anyway? Always been a bloody militant union.....
SW
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