RAF pilot training ...... yes or no?
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PS: Just one career tip: Why not try joining the UAS at Manchester? But, I wouldn't go there with the attitude of "they would be lucky to have me", because you'll be talking to a closed door soon enough.
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Danny, its late, and I am convinced that you are a wind up but I just couldn't help but reply.
If I were you I would go to the careers office and ask for the Shawbury arrival instructions so that you can commence RW training asap, as you are quite clearly able to walk on water unaided, in the dark. You clearly dont need to go through OASC, IOT et al as you seem to know everyhting there is to know. You received honest and frank responses to your medical query and it seems to me that you just dont want to accept it, and then have the audacity to claim they aren't constructive. The RAF owes you nothing and as has already been pointed out there are enough applicants with quiet determination and a healthy amount of humility, neither of which you have demonstrated.
You claim English isnt your strong point, well thats quite apparent, but "physics, chemistry and maths" are, well you sound like a barrell of laughs my old. No offence, but I suggest you f
k off and come back, nicely, when you have wound your neck firmly back in, until it is back on your chipped shoulders.
In answer to your original question, I am confident that pigs will fly for the RAF before you do, and that is notwithstanding your medical condition.
Damn it............reel me in!
If I were you I would go to the careers office and ask for the Shawbury arrival instructions so that you can commence RW training asap, as you are quite clearly able to walk on water unaided, in the dark. You clearly dont need to go through OASC, IOT et al as you seem to know everyhting there is to know. You received honest and frank responses to your medical query and it seems to me that you just dont want to accept it, and then have the audacity to claim they aren't constructive. The RAF owes you nothing and as has already been pointed out there are enough applicants with quiet determination and a healthy amount of humility, neither of which you have demonstrated.
You claim English isnt your strong point, well thats quite apparent, but "physics, chemistry and maths" are, well you sound like a barrell of laughs my old. No offence, but I suggest you f
k off and come back, nicely, when you have wound your neck firmly back in, until it is back on your chipped shoulders.In answer to your original question, I am confident that pigs will fly for the RAF before you do, and that is notwithstanding your medical condition.
Damn it............reel me in!
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Originally Posted by Danny_manchester
...a degree in Aero Eng? lol, no offence to Aero Eng grads, i was thinking more pure chemistry/physics 
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. ...OOI, you're about to go to Uni but you haven't visited an AFCO yet? This been a lifelong ambition of yours?
Shed-loads of good info from people who won't give you the recruitment spin, always been helpful for me and many others, might want to calm down dear?
Good luck.
From a current Aero Eng student...
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Thankyou Danny Boy for providing me with an entertaining read this lunchtime!
You have been given good advice on here. You asked a question in the thread title, "yes or no"? My answer would be no based on their replies.
You have been given good advice on here. You asked a question in the thread title, "yes or no"? My answer would be no based on their replies.
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In answer to your initial question - NO !! You've been offered some excellent advice from current military aircrew and your response would indicate that Service life is not for you without some fairly major adjustments on your part, some of which might be medically impossible for you to achieve.
(Failing that, I'll chop you Sonny!)
(Failing that, I'll chop you Sonny!)
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Danny (manchester)
I'm afraid that the majority of whats been written here is absolutely true, and if you DO or HAVE had a 'Dodgy Ticker' then you can forget a military flying career. You might be the cleverest guy on the planet, and be Gods gift to the RAF, but I'm afraid your medical condition (and probably your attitude) will NOT permit you to fly one of HM Aircraft!
I would also suggest that you need to temper your attitude somewhat. A lot of folks on this forum are experienced military aviators (like myself) who don't take kindly to big-headed and arrogant young men who are looking to join us. Have no doubts that the folks at Cranditz read this site and especially the Military Aircrew one! and I would think your info is already noted somewhere!
Just because the replies on here are not what you want to hear does not make them invalid, indeed, the majority are correct. Even Southside, who I rarely agree with, has got it 100% correct.
I am afraid that the answer to your original question is a resounding NO!
Kind regards
TSM
I'm afraid that the majority of whats been written here is absolutely true, and if you DO or HAVE had a 'Dodgy Ticker' then you can forget a military flying career. You might be the cleverest guy on the planet, and be Gods gift to the RAF, but I'm afraid your medical condition (and probably your attitude) will NOT permit you to fly one of HM Aircraft!
I would also suggest that you need to temper your attitude somewhat. A lot of folks on this forum are experienced military aviators (like myself) who don't take kindly to big-headed and arrogant young men who are looking to join us. Have no doubts that the folks at Cranditz read this site and especially the Military Aircrew one! and I would think your info is already noted somewhere!
Just because the replies on here are not what you want to hear does not make them invalid, indeed, the majority are correct. Even Southside, who I rarely agree with, has got it 100% correct.
I am afraid that the answer to your original question is a resounding NO!
Kind regards
TSM
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Heart condition - get the facts
Right chaps,
firstly, we know that danny M has a heart condition, he does not state what it is,therefore we cannot judge whether he would get in or not.
I should know, I had a heart condition and flew for the RN, I still have the heart condition and now hold a CAA class one medical, without any conditions attached to it.
Until he illuminates us with what exactly the problem is, and unless there is a medic around, we cannot categorically state he will not get in.
What we can say is the the 'condition' that will preclude him from joining is his attitude - i'm afraid I can't think of a cure for it.
Danny,
You join the services first and foremost as an Officer (If joining the RN or RAF to be a pilot). This is your first duty - serving the Queen.
If you are good enough you will fly helos, otherwise you may go fast jet(!).
Whatever flying job you do, you will have a hell of a good time and receive some of the best training around.
Unfortunately, with your arrogant attitude, I doubt if you will get past the initial careers office interview, never mind OASC and certainly not flying training.
Maybe you should try looking elsewhere to offer your excellent skills, you sound far too good and far too qualified (by your own reckoning), to earn what amounts to very little money in the military sector, for a fair bit of hardship.
How about world domination as a starter?
firstly, we know that danny M has a heart condition, he does not state what it is,therefore we cannot judge whether he would get in or not.
I should know, I had a heart condition and flew for the RN, I still have the heart condition and now hold a CAA class one medical, without any conditions attached to it.
Until he illuminates us with what exactly the problem is, and unless there is a medic around, we cannot categorically state he will not get in.
What we can say is the the 'condition' that will preclude him from joining is his attitude - i'm afraid I can't think of a cure for it.
Danny,
You join the services first and foremost as an Officer (If joining the RN or RAF to be a pilot). This is your first duty - serving the Queen.
If you are good enough you will fly helos, otherwise you may go fast jet(!).
Whatever flying job you do, you will have a hell of a good time and receive some of the best training around.
Unfortunately, with your arrogant attitude, I doubt if you will get past the initial careers office interview, never mind OASC and certainly not flying training.
Maybe you should try looking elsewhere to offer your excellent skills, you sound far too good and far too qualified (by your own reckoning), to earn what amounts to very little money in the military sector, for a fair bit of hardship.
How about world domination as a starter?
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anotherthing,
I agree with your sentiments old boy, but the sad fact remains that in todays military (certainly in the RAF) even iff you have a whiff of something serious, then you won't get in. I know several people who made the mistake of admitting to having had hay-fever as a child, and bang! - no thanks!
You must have seen it in the navy in recent times?
I agree with you holding a CAA class 1 medical - indeed I also know some friends that are in a similar predicament, but we all know that the RAF and the RN (and probably the AAC) can afford to be unbelievably 'picky' about who they choose, and I'm certain that they have a remit which would preclude Danny manchester for getting in. What was acceptable when you and I joined are just not acceptable now.
Agree entirely about his attitude, complete non-starter in my books also.
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TSM
I agree with your sentiments old boy, but the sad fact remains that in todays military (certainly in the RAF) even iff you have a whiff of something serious, then you won't get in. I know several people who made the mistake of admitting to having had hay-fever as a child, and bang! - no thanks!
You must have seen it in the navy in recent times?
I agree with you holding a CAA class 1 medical - indeed I also know some friends that are in a similar predicament, but we all know that the RAF and the RN (and probably the AAC) can afford to be unbelievably 'picky' about who they choose, and I'm certain that they have a remit which would preclude Danny manchester for getting in. What was acceptable when you and I joined are just not acceptable now.
Agree entirely about his attitude, complete non-starter in my books also.
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Just let me get this straight.
He is:
1. Arrogant
2. Has an inflated sense of his own importance
3. Knows everything
4. Looks down upon the rotary world
5. Refuses to accept advice given by experts
Sounds like a Fast Jet pilot to me!
He is:
1. Arrogant
2. Has an inflated sense of his own importance
3. Knows everything
4. Looks down upon the rotary world
5. Refuses to accept advice given by experts
Sounds like a Fast Jet pilot to me!
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Danny, as I said earlier I look forward to meeting you at OASC, that is if the RAF is lucky enough to be honoured by your presence at all.
While as others have mentioned it's down to the medics to make the final decision upon your condition; just be prepared to be classed as Permanently Unfit for most jobs in the air force. I have two mates who were at one point pronounced 'fit aircrew roles' by OASC, yet within the space of 2 years they have both now been classed as Permanently Unfit as aircrew, before they've even got to IOT. One for having a headache/possible migraine when he was 7, the other for a mild heart condition that only became evident with an ECG.
Moreover, these fellas just wanted to be pilots in the air force and would've been honoured to fly any of the RAF's aircraft, they certainly don't have the brown ring around their necks where their heads haven't been up their own arses while pre-streaming themselves.
If you can wind your neck in, there's a box down here with your name on it, get back in it and don't upset those quiet hopefuls who'd be flattered to be even offered a place on IOT never mind 'not in a RW aircraft'.
While as others have mentioned it's down to the medics to make the final decision upon your condition; just be prepared to be classed as Permanently Unfit for most jobs in the air force. I have two mates who were at one point pronounced 'fit aircrew roles' by OASC, yet within the space of 2 years they have both now been classed as Permanently Unfit as aircrew, before they've even got to IOT. One for having a headache/possible migraine when he was 7, the other for a mild heart condition that only became evident with an ECG.
Moreover, these fellas just wanted to be pilots in the air force and would've been honoured to fly any of the RAF's aircraft, they certainly don't have the brown ring around their necks where their heads haven't been up their own arses while pre-streaming themselves.
If you can wind your neck in, there's a box down here with your name on it, get back in it and don't upset those quiet hopefuls who'd be flattered to be even offered a place on IOT never mind 'not in a RW aircraft'.
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Rooftopp!ssartist, and your point is??? I can't quite tell whether you are sticking up for Danny or not, but then again I am not very clever, dont have a degree in Physics/Chemistry like our man Danny Manc, I merely got a humble Aero Eng degree
What is it with the yoof of today.
I think that OASC should be stood down personally, we can weed out all the total w@nkers here.
What is it with the yoof of today.
I think that OASC should be stood down personally, we can weed out all the total w@nkers here.
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Ah, young Danny has found the Mil forum! This young man is full of questions, and has a very high opinion of himself, yet he doesn't really know yet how he's going to achieve his ambition of becoming a pilot - and I suspect that he hasn't given up on a couple of other 'ambitions' (read: things he quite fancies doing but knows nothing about) either.
Danny's not a wind up, but he lacks something in the finer skills of winning friends and influencing people. I think he's probably a fairly bright lad, but he realy doesn't yet understand enough about aviation - especially military aviation - to know how to ask the right questions.
Treat him reasonably gently; you never know, he might actually make it one day!
Scroggs
Danny's not a wind up, but he lacks something in the finer skills of winning friends and influencing people. I think he's probably a fairly bright lad, but he realy doesn't yet understand enough about aviation - especially military aviation - to know how to ask the right questions.
Treat him reasonably gently; you never know, he might actually make it one day!
Scroggs
I doubt that it's ever been harder to get into the RAF as aircrew as it is now.
Even if you meet the grade medically (and they can afford to be stupidly picky), and even if your academic standards are rather better than your spelling and grammar might suggest, I doubt that you'd get past OASC.
They always used to say that: "You don't want to go to war with a w*nker on your wing."
You will notice that your posts have led many serving aircrew to the conclusion that you are exactly that, and I suspect that OASC would discern that character trait, too.
1) The RAF would be lucky to have me as an applicant
Not on the basis of what you've shown so far. Confidence is great, if it falls short of arrogance, and as long as it isn't entirely misplaced.
2) I think i am definatly better off asking a professional in the recruiting process for the RAF - i do appreciate your time in replying, but your replies are far from constructive.
I think you'd be better off being grateful that professional military aviators have deigned to reply to you, and that you should read and inwardly digest those replies. Mental flexibility and a willingness to accept constructive criticism are a prerequisite to success in service and flying training.
3) a degree in Aero Eng? lol, no offence to Aero Eng grads, i was thinking more pure chemistry/physics .
Which do you think would be more useful to a FJ pilot, and which would the RAF find more relevant?
You got some priceless advice from Max Stout, and in case you're too arrogant to have taken it on board, here it is again:
Don't close off ANY options at your age, or better still, until retirement age.
Show a bit of respect for the people who actually do what you dream of doing.
Swallow your pride, get real, wind your neck in and listen to good advice.
Consider yourself lucky if you get invited to OASC, and continue to count yourself lucky at every stage thereon, until you are in a frontline cockpit
I don't wish you luck. I think you need to grow up a bit and learn some humility before you're fit to join the RAF in any capacity, let alone as someone holding the Queen's Commission.
Even if you meet the grade medically (and they can afford to be stupidly picky), and even if your academic standards are rather better than your spelling and grammar might suggest, I doubt that you'd get past OASC.
They always used to say that: "You don't want to go to war with a w*nker on your wing."
You will notice that your posts have led many serving aircrew to the conclusion that you are exactly that, and I suspect that OASC would discern that character trait, too.
1) The RAF would be lucky to have me as an applicant
Not on the basis of what you've shown so far. Confidence is great, if it falls short of arrogance, and as long as it isn't entirely misplaced.
2) I think i am definatly better off asking a professional in the recruiting process for the RAF - i do appreciate your time in replying, but your replies are far from constructive.
I think you'd be better off being grateful that professional military aviators have deigned to reply to you, and that you should read and inwardly digest those replies. Mental flexibility and a willingness to accept constructive criticism are a prerequisite to success in service and flying training.
3) a degree in Aero Eng? lol, no offence to Aero Eng grads, i was thinking more pure chemistry/physics .
Which do you think would be more useful to a FJ pilot, and which would the RAF find more relevant?
You got some priceless advice from Max Stout, and in case you're too arrogant to have taken it on board, here it is again:
Don't close off ANY options at your age, or better still, until retirement age.
Show a bit of respect for the people who actually do what you dream of doing.
Swallow your pride, get real, wind your neck in and listen to good advice.
Consider yourself lucky if you get invited to OASC, and continue to count yourself lucky at every stage thereon, until you are in a frontline cockpit
I don't wish you luck. I think you need to grow up a bit and learn some humility before you're fit to join the RAF in any capacity, let alone as someone holding the Queen's Commission.
Phew!
Thank god I didn't have internet access (and thought prunes were just shrivelled raisins!) when I was a lad. I'm fairly sure I wasn't in the same league as young Danny but I'm pretty sure I could have made a complete @rse of myself on this forum too!
The poor lad. If he's not already crying to his parents about the mean men on the computer I bet he's changing his log-in as we speak, ready to start a new thread entitled:
RAF aircrew. I love you all, respect you and would love to join you one day if you'll let me. Any sagely advice please?
Anyway must be off. Got a bit of doggers to indulge in. And before you start, yes we can do that in our jet!
BV
PS. Just to confirm, that was doggERS not doggING!
The poor lad. If he's not already crying to his parents about the mean men on the computer I bet he's changing his log-in as we speak, ready to start a new thread entitled:
RAF aircrew. I love you all, respect you and would love to join you one day if you'll let me. Any sagely advice please?
Anyway must be off. Got a bit of doggers to indulge in. And before you start, yes we can do that in our jet!
BV
PS. Just to confirm, that was doggERS not doggING!
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Dirty Sanchez,
definitely wasn't sticking up for the lad!
My point, as most have mentioned, was that this guy is sadly misguided if he wants a career as a military pilot, and for those who won't be able to fly in the services due to a trivial medical reason, Danny's attitude is simply naively offensive.
definitely wasn't sticking up for the lad!
My point, as most have mentioned, was that this guy is sadly misguided if he wants a career as a military pilot, and for those who won't be able to fly in the services due to a trivial medical reason, Danny's attitude is simply naively offensive.