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One can dream ...
A Dead Statesman
I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
Kipling: EPITAPHS 1914
Perhaps Kipling had a bit of the Nostradamus about him?
A Dead Statesman
I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
Kipling: EPITAPHS 1914
Perhaps Kipling had a bit of the Nostradamus about him?
I think it's time somebody took the Iraq war to court, at least that might put him back in his box.
It never fails to amaze me that the people of this country are so supine that there is no real opposition to the continuing lies and misrepresentation regarding Iraq.
It surely must be a yet another indicator of meglomania in Trust-Me-Tone that he can even think about spouting of action against Iran.
I don't recall seeing similar calls for action from France and Germany...........
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It's ok, you don't have to worry about Iran. They're always too busy fighting Iraq to have any time for other skirmishes...
I'm glad I don't live in a country called Iraa or Irab or Irac or Irad or Irae or Iraf or Irag or
I'm glad I don't live in a country called Iraa or Irab or Irac or Irad or Irae or Iraf or Irag or
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Trouble is, the mouth piece may go but the cronies will still be there.
And you cant rule out the people that voted him in power.
I'd rather be sat where you are, cause Helen is not going to lead you guys into Iran.
Trouble is, the mouth piece may go but the cronies will still be there.
And you cant rule out the people that voted him in power.
I'd rather be sat where you are, cause Helen is not going to lead you guys into Iran.
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Can't really see what all the fuss is about. Anyone who has flown EMIRATES will have noted from the in-flight moving map that Israel doesn't exist. Other arab airlines operate similar in-flight systems and I would guess that Iranian carriers also show a similar view. So the map has already been wiped a long time ago.
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Should we or the USA be daft enough to invade Iran and lucky enough to win, just think of the policing problem afterwards. It's bad enough in Iraq but Iran is 6 times the size of the UK, 4 times the size of Iraq and, for our American readers, slightly larger than Alaska.
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Bliar is a certifiable lunatic. Thankfully, UK involvement in any Iranian undertaking is impossible due to military cutbacks. If military action was intended, there would be civil disobedience on a scale never seen before in this country and quite a few troops would hand in their kit.
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Bliar doesn't have the balls to take on Iran no matter what guff comes out of his mouth.
Unlike Iraq, Iran hasn't been subject to a virtual anihilation of its armed forces and defenses, numerous years of monitoring and sanctions. It also does have a WMD programme, probably does have the capacity to produce and deploy said WMDs, and it's leaders are crazy religious extremists. Saddam was merely a legendary world-class bull****ter, which Bush and Bliar unwisely chose to use as an excuse to try and score some political goody points with their respective voters prior to re-election.
If Bliar tries this one on for size, it really will blow up in his hateful little face like a dodgy bonfire night firework.
Unlike Iraq, Iran hasn't been subject to a virtual anihilation of its armed forces and defenses, numerous years of monitoring and sanctions. It also does have a WMD programme, probably does have the capacity to produce and deploy said WMDs, and it's leaders are crazy religious extremists. Saddam was merely a legendary world-class bull****ter, which Bush and Bliar unwisely chose to use as an excuse to try and score some political goody points with their respective voters prior to re-election.
If Bliar tries this one on for size, it really will blow up in his hateful little face like a dodgy bonfire night firework.
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I don't know why everyone is getting so steamed up. Iran could only ever wipe Israel off the map by using nuclear weapons, weapons that they are some time away from manufacturing. Israel can take care of itself on that level and even if Iran gets lucky what do you think the USA's reaction would be? My only minor concern is the fallout, which will mostly fall on a lot of countries that quite frankly deserve it!!
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BEagle I feel sure that you take the Spectator but if you don’t, you may be interested in this article from the latest issue, which seems not to cast your friend “Tone” in a particularly good light.
Labour has left a scar on the soul of Britain
Simon Heffer
Perhaps you will forgive a moment of nostalgia. Let us reflect upon what life was like exactly 10 years ago, when I last had the honour to write a political column for The Telegraph. John Major was prime minister, but apart from that things have got worse.
We were still truly a United Kingdom, as the devolved assemblies in Edinburgh and Cardiff had not yet been invented. Hereditary peers still sat as of right in a House of Lords that was a proper revising chamber, held the Government routinely to account and defeated it with alarming regularity. The Upper House was not yet full of personal friends of the Prime Minister, or of donors to his party. The House of Commons, too, had yet to adopt that posture of slavishness and ineffectuality that now characterises it. It was not yet treated with contempt by the executive.
We had a strong and powerful opposition that made the Government's life almost impossible at times, and which itself had a coherence of view and a strength of discipline that would soon bring it triumphantly to power. Perhaps best of all, we still had a strong and independent Civil Service that functioned in the highest standards of disinterestedness and whose most senior members did not have to take orders from political appointees. Oh, and it was still legal for people to hunt vermin with dogs.
These constitutional changes have helped create an authoritarian government whose wishes are largely rubber-stamped by Parliament. So grand has the executive become that the Prime Minister's wife now regards herself as the "First Lady" - a notion the Queen must find interesting - and her husband acts increasingly as though he were a head of state, not of government. It is no wonder, given this arrogant freedom from the old checks and balances of our system of governance, that the Labour Party that has ruled us since 1997 now feels it can, and should, play a so much greater part in the lives of the people than even it would have imagined before its election.
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Labour has left a scar on the soul of Britain
Simon Heffer
Perhaps you will forgive a moment of nostalgia. Let us reflect upon what life was like exactly 10 years ago, when I last had the honour to write a political column for The Telegraph. John Major was prime minister, but apart from that things have got worse.
We were still truly a United Kingdom, as the devolved assemblies in Edinburgh and Cardiff had not yet been invented. Hereditary peers still sat as of right in a House of Lords that was a proper revising chamber, held the Government routinely to account and defeated it with alarming regularity. The Upper House was not yet full of personal friends of the Prime Minister, or of donors to his party. The House of Commons, too, had yet to adopt that posture of slavishness and ineffectuality that now characterises it. It was not yet treated with contempt by the executive.
We had a strong and powerful opposition that made the Government's life almost impossible at times, and which itself had a coherence of view and a strength of discipline that would soon bring it triumphantly to power. Perhaps best of all, we still had a strong and independent Civil Service that functioned in the highest standards of disinterestedness and whose most senior members did not have to take orders from political appointees. Oh, and it was still legal for people to hunt vermin with dogs.
These constitutional changes have helped create an authoritarian government whose wishes are largely rubber-stamped by Parliament. So grand has the executive become that the Prime Minister's wife now regards herself as the "First Lady" - a notion the Queen must find interesting - and her husband acts increasingly as though he were a head of state, not of government. It is no wonder, given this arrogant freedom from the old checks and balances of our system of governance, that the Labour Party that has ruled us since 1997 now feels it can, and should, play a so much greater part in the lives of the people than even it would have imagined before its election.
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highcirrus - no, I don't take the Spectator - thanks for the link.
It gives a good reminder of how the UK has deteriorated under Trust-me-Tone and his cronies.
Conspiracy theorists elsewhere believe that Blair's rise to power was orchestrated by the shadowy Bildeberg group. Frightening if true...
Everwhere you go, you see the mark of the beast which is Noo Labor. Whether it's state nannying characterised by the proliferation of CCTV surveillance and roadside speed cameras, 'yellow jacket' Health and Safety mentality - or more serious matters such as the failed NHS, failed public transport system, form-filling administrators strangling the police.....
I'm struggling to think of one single thing which Bliar and his gang have achieved which has improved my quality of life in the past 10 years. But I can think of several ways in which he's lessened it.
I am fortunate enough to live in the next PM's constituency. A very nice bloke with a genuine passion to sort things out when he's elected at the next election.
How long do we have to wait?
It gives a good reminder of how the UK has deteriorated under Trust-me-Tone and his cronies.
Conspiracy theorists elsewhere believe that Blair's rise to power was orchestrated by the shadowy Bildeberg group. Frightening if true...
Everwhere you go, you see the mark of the beast which is Noo Labor. Whether it's state nannying characterised by the proliferation of CCTV surveillance and roadside speed cameras, 'yellow jacket' Health and Safety mentality - or more serious matters such as the failed NHS, failed public transport system, form-filling administrators strangling the police.....
I'm struggling to think of one single thing which Bliar and his gang have achieved which has improved my quality of life in the past 10 years. But I can think of several ways in which he's lessened it.
I am fortunate enough to live in the next PM's constituency. A very nice bloke with a genuine passion to sort things out when he's elected at the next election.
How long do we have to wait?
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Which one? Hopefully not the vacuous Bliar clone that appears to be the front runner at the moment. The prehensile party careeering to self-destruct appears to me to be about to desperately grasp at a version of Bliar at the time when even the most obtuse voter in the country has realised that electing someone who wants power without principle was a mistake.
I blame the douce voters of Fairmilehead. If they hadn't elected Morticia Adams, Rifkind may have kept the profile to have made a better stab at the leadership.
PS
From Morticia's biog page:
Elected? By whom? No wonder we're up the creek when God's own country's chief law officer has delusions of being representative and doesn't understand the constitution that gave her the bauble.
Ye see yon birkie ca'd 'a lord,' Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that? Tho' hundreds worship at his word, He's but a cuif for a' that.
Indeed. I suppose it's marginally better than her dypsomaniac arsonist colleague from the NuLabour peerage now enjoying the hospitality of Saughton Hotel.
I am fortunate enough to live in the next PM's constituency
I blame the douce voters of Fairmilehead. If they hadn't elected Morticia Adams, Rifkind may have kept the profile to have made a better stab at the leadership.
PS
From Morticia's biog page:
In 2005, she was elected to the House of Lords.
Ye see yon birkie ca'd 'a lord,' Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that? Tho' hundreds worship at his word, He's but a cuif for a' that.
Indeed. I suppose it's marginally better than her dypsomaniac arsonist colleague from the NuLabour peerage now enjoying the hospitality of Saughton Hotel.
Beagle, old chap,
Presumably you meant the Bilderberg group. A quick search on Google results in lots of links to conspiracy-theory sites. Interesting to note that Dennis Healey was the UK's rep in the early days and currently the position seems to rest with three-time loser Ken Clarke.
If one subscribes to statements such as "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - (Edmund Burke), then one might plough through some of the articles and ponder on their veracity. But there again, even on a wet & windy Sunday morning, there are better things to do (really must mend that fence-panel).
Conspiracy theorists elsewhere believe that Blair's rise to power was orchestrated by the shadowy Bildeberg group. Frightening if true...
If one subscribes to statements such as "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - (Edmund Burke), then one might plough through some of the articles and ponder on their veracity. But there again, even on a wet & windy Sunday morning, there are better things to do (really must mend that fence-panel).
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Yes, I meant Bilderberg - spielng erorr! 
Which constituency? Certainly not a NooLabor one!
As for the idea of grumpy Gordon running things when the poodle finally goes.....
Which constituency? Certainly not a NooLabor one!
As for the idea of grumpy Gordon running things when the poodle finally goes.....
Unless the lights go out this winter..
Strait of Hormuz, continued spat with Iran (see also the thread on Jetblast), Iranian attempt at closing the strait (with aircraft, air launched missiles, surface warships, submarines, mines, land based missiles, asymetric means), lack of numbers of ships/aircraft to protect our shipping...
Oil shortage/crisis on the horizon?
Strait of Hormuz, continued spat with Iran (see also the thread on Jetblast), Iranian attempt at closing the strait (with aircraft, air launched missiles, surface warships, submarines, mines, land based missiles, asymetric means), lack of numbers of ships/aircraft to protect our shipping...
Oil shortage/crisis on the horizon?
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