The right job for a VC10?
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OOH - tetchy! Just like the obsolete airliner you fly!
I would NEVER call Bredbury Hall the 'wrong' place.........
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misses the closing time for the runway and diverts to - Manchester? Plane and crews in the wrong place!
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The PRN - BNX thing is usualy a nice day out moving people who are plesant to the crew unlike some of the "trailer trash" that we have to haul. The last few times that I have done the trip it has been mostly visual aproaches with just a few CB's to work around.
The VOR aproach into PRN is not quite as simple as it might at first seem with the step down distances a little unclear on the Jepps.
The only problem seems to be when the weather in that part of the world goes bad it gets very bad, at least once we have had to CAT 3 into Zagreb.
The VOR aproach into PRN is not quite as simple as it might at first seem with the step down distances a little unclear on the Jepps.
The only problem seems to be when the weather in that part of the world goes bad it gets very bad, at least once we have had to CAT 3 into Zagreb.
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The last time I flew the Lyn-Prn-Bnx-Brd-Bnx-Prn-Bzz, it was indeed very pleasant. Apart from the Bnx approach crontroller trying to fly us into a hill. The AIDU plates for pristina are a little better than the JEPPS ones. The night stop Brindisi is a welcome change to block 101. The above schedule is the herc one though (it went U/S again, so the 10 picked up the pieces), so guess we won't get a nice italian night stop.
The last time I flew the Lyn-Prn-Bnx-Brd-Bnx-Prn-Bzz, it was indeed very pleasant. Apart from the Bnx approach crontroller trying to fly us into a hill. The AIDU plates for pristina are a little better than the JEPPS ones. The night stop Brindisi is a welcome change to block 101. The above schedule is the herc one though (it went U/S again, so the 10 picked up the pieces), so guess we won't get a nice italian night stop.
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A bit off topic - but so is everyone else - did I hear correctly that the Tri*s have been painted filing cabinet grey now, too. Rumor (sic) I heard is that the Army paid...
There was indeed a large grey 3-engined slug at a Covert Oxonian Aerodrome the other day.
Why the dark roundels and fin flash? I thought that grey jets normally had pale blue and pink (Wednesday) low viz markings?
Why the dark roundels and fin flash? I thought that grey jets normally had pale blue and pink (Wednesday) low viz markings?
How do they re-surface the runway at Heathrow and Gatwick? They use quick drying ashphalt and close the runway for a short time during quiet periods.
Why don;t they do that at Brize. Probably something to do with the cost. Overall, it's probably cheaper than the bolthole but I suspect it will be because it's a different budget or something.
Why don;t they do that at Brize. Probably something to do with the cost. Overall, it's probably cheaper than the bolthole but I suspect it will be because it's a different budget or something.
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BEagle, the Funbus is a pretty effective alarm for Gloucestershire, even when operating from Oxfordshire (from 26 anyway)
So far, the glorious crackle has been heard a few times after dark, plus many early morning dark o clock arrivals. 'tis a lovely sound...
Slightly off topic, the whingers of Fairford are now going to put up with a bit of noise for a change, but the local pinkos are slightly caught offstep here, in that all those noisy aeroplanes are not American and not bombers either. It will be a giggle to see how the whiners react and if there are any fun rants in the local rag, I shall post them here.
Wonderful to sit in the garden and catch everyone on finals into Fairford. Patios may be good, but Laptops are even better.
Conan
So far, the glorious crackle has been heard a few times after dark, plus many early morning dark o clock arrivals. 'tis a lovely sound...
Slightly off topic, the whingers of Fairford are now going to put up with a bit of noise for a change, but the local pinkos are slightly caught offstep here, in that all those noisy aeroplanes are not American and not bombers either. It will be a giggle to see how the whiners react and if there are any fun rants in the local rag, I shall post them here.
Wonderful to sit in the garden and catch everyone on finals into Fairford. Patios may be good, but Laptops are even better.
Conan
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LGW was normally closed between 2330 and 0630 for resurfacing work when I was based there in the eighties. It was done in the summer because tarmac cures more quickly in warm conditions. CAT 3 was not available during the (several weeks) resurfacing period. I remember having to write a letter to the CAA after completing a foggy morning autoland in CAT 3 conditions after a long night flight. The misunderstanding was due to tiredness and the ambiguous wording of the notam. Fortunately I landed behind a Cathay 747 who also interperpreted it like me! I understand he too was asked to explain his actions in writing. Reason for degrading the ILS? CAT3 radiating but runway lighting not up to par! The controller didn't help either. When clearing us for for a CAT 3 approach he ended his transmission with the words "good luck", which we thought strange at the time!
{BTW The autoland was a greaser and the lights were perfectly adequate in the 100 metres vis.}
LGW was normally closed between 2330 and 0630 for resurfacing work when I was based there in the eighties. It was done in the summer because tarmac cures more quickly in warm conditions. CAT 3 was not available during the (several weeks) resurfacing period. I remember having to write a letter to the CAA after completing a foggy morning autoland in CAT 3 conditions after a long night flight. The misunderstanding was due to tiredness and the ambiguous wording of the notam. Fortunately I landed behind a Cathay 747 who also interperpreted it like me! I understand he too was asked to explain his actions in writing. Reason for degrading the ILS? CAT3 radiating but runway lighting not up to par! The controller didn't help either. When clearing us for for a CAT 3 approach he ended his transmission with the words "good luck", which we thought strange at the time!
{BTW The autoland was a greaser and the lights were perfectly adequate in the 100 metres vis.}
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For all you bus drivers, (this is a techie talking), if you want to see a prime example of 'old and new' and an excellent example of brilliant engineering against a total white elephant and waste of government money take a look at St. Athan. A K4 scrapped outside a brand spanking new £80 million hangar with nothing in it!!!!!!!
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Is the poorly 10 still taking up valuable space down south. If so why not just scrap it down there, ripping out all that can be reused, and drag it somewhere out of the way. Chop the legs off and turn it into a bar, the Vic could live again.
Then again this idea would be a non-starter as an outbreak of morale may ensue, and we can't have that now can we.
Then again this idea would be a non-starter as an outbreak of morale may ensue, and we can't have that now can we.
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Passengers??
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I was following the banter with some amusement until faced this evening with a new revelation. Apparently, the VC10 is not only retasked for the Balkans, as in this thread, but it is also about to offer more
This time, it is planned to exercise lots of army and a few joint types to see Santa Claus and get back in time for Christmas. I have happy memories, as a very young officer, traveling backwards across the pond in a ‘10’ although I must admit I thought they were mature even then. Having recently headed north on the last stagecoach out of Dodge City (well MPA – before the 747 was broken), I’ve appreciated the vital capability that the tanking 10s provide. But I have to ask: from where did these passenger variants spring and just how old are they?
I was following the banter with some amusement until faced this evening with a new revelation. Apparently, the VC10 is not only retasked for the Balkans, as in this thread, but it is also about to offer more
nice days out moving people
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The C1Ks were built for the RAF and the first one first flew in 1965 and was delivered to 10 Sqn in 1966!!!
The old K2s (now srapped) were a bit older and the K4s first flew in 1964 and were delivered to BOAC then BA.
The K3s are the youngest, first flights 1966-1970 and the last VC10s built... going to East African.
Have a look here:
First Flights
and here:
Production Numbers
Tonks
PS looking forward to the last 10 Sqn bash... see some of you there
The old K2s (now srapped) were a bit older and the K4s first flew in 1964 and were delivered to BOAC then BA.
The K3s are the youngest, first flights 1966-1970 and the last VC10s built... going to East African.
Have a look here:
First Flights
and here:
Production Numbers
Tonks
PS looking forward to the last 10 Sqn bash... see some of you there
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Hmm, let's see...
The passenger VC10s (C1) were specially made for the RAF - they were pimped up regular VC10s with better wings and more fuel capacity and have been in service since the early 60s, they've since been modded to have the wing pods on to conduct tanking with the baby jets and are now known as C1K.
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable chaps out there who can give you more details but that's it in a nutshell - these babies have been working year in, year out since we won the World Cup!
Can't see my car lasting for as long as that!
The passenger VC10s (C1) were specially made for the RAF - they were pimped up regular VC10s with better wings and more fuel capacity and have been in service since the early 60s, they've since been modded to have the wing pods on to conduct tanking with the baby jets and are now known as C1K.
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable chaps out there who can give you more details but that's it in a nutshell - these babies have been working year in, year out since we won the World Cup!
Can't see my car lasting for as long as that!