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While looking for something completely different, I tripped over this from the "Civil Service Mangement Code" - see:
http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/manag...mc_march05.pdf
Not very positive, but seems to cover it.
http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/manag...mc_march05.pdf
Crown copyright
4.2.11 By virtue of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, works made by civil servants in the course of their official duties are subject to Crown copyright protection. The responsibility for the management and licensing of Crown copyright rests with the Controller of Her Majesty’s Stationery Office (HMSO) in her capacity as Queen’s Printer for works produced by UK Government departments, Northern Ireland departments and the National Assembly for Wales. For works produced by the Scottish Administration, the responsibility for management and licensing rests with the Queen’s Printer for Scotland in accordance with the Scotland Act 1998. The Controller of HMSO, in her roles as Queen’s Printer, and the Queen’s Printer for Scotland, authorises the Copyright Unit of HMSO to administer the respective Crown copyrights on her behalf.
4.2.12 Civil servants must obtain the prior approval of their Head of Department or Agency Chief Executive before entering into any arrangements regarding the publication or dissemination of any Crown copyright protected material by private sector publishers or information providers. Such arrangements would usually be the subject of specific licensing, to be handled by HMSO’s Copyright Unit. This would not apply in the following circumstances:
a. where material is to be published in learned journals or in the proceedings of conferences or seminars;
b. where the material in question is to be published in an official, authorised work specifically on behalf of the originating department or agency; or
c. where the department or agency is authorised to license the material under specific delegated authority issued by the Controller of HMSO or the Queen’s Printer for Scotland.
4.2.13 Where departments and agencies are authorised to license the reproduction of Crown copyright protected material which they originate, under the cases specified in paragraph 4.2.11 above, they must ensure that:
a. there is an obligation placed on the publisher to acknowledge the Crown copyright source material;
b. Crown copyright is not assigned to the publisher; and
c. that the material is licensed on non-exclusive terms.
4.2.14 Crown copyright is not an issue if a civil servant produces a copyright work unconnected with their official duties and entirely in their own time. If, however, the work in question is linked to their official duties, they should in the first instance consult their Director of Personnel or the Head of their Department or Agency, who in turn may need to consult HMSO’s Copyright Unit. Under these circumstances, the following factors need to be taken into account:
a. whether the civil servant produced the work during official time;
b. whether the work is based on existing Crown copyright source documents; and
c. whether there are security considerations.
4.2.15 If a civil servant writes a book in their own time, which is unrelated to their official duties, but wishes to incorporate extracts of Crown copyright protected material within the work, permission to reproduce the material should be obtained from HMSO’s Copyright Unit. It is customary in such cases for the licence to be granted in favour of the publisher rather than the author, as it is the publisher which is reproducing the material. It is permissible for the author to submit the application on the publisher’s behalf. Where an individual is on secondment outside the Civil Service, copyright in any work which they produce during the term of their secondment will rest with their host organisation unless otherwise agreed.
4.2.16 A series of Guidance Notes on various aspects relating to copyright and official publishing can be obtained from the HMSO, Cabinet Office, or via their Website at http://www.hmso.gov.uk/guides.htm.
4.2.11 By virtue of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, works made by civil servants in the course of their official duties are subject to Crown copyright protection. The responsibility for the management and licensing of Crown copyright rests with the Controller of Her Majesty’s Stationery Office (HMSO) in her capacity as Queen’s Printer for works produced by UK Government departments, Northern Ireland departments and the National Assembly for Wales. For works produced by the Scottish Administration, the responsibility for management and licensing rests with the Queen’s Printer for Scotland in accordance with the Scotland Act 1998. The Controller of HMSO, in her roles as Queen’s Printer, and the Queen’s Printer for Scotland, authorises the Copyright Unit of HMSO to administer the respective Crown copyrights on her behalf.
4.2.12 Civil servants must obtain the prior approval of their Head of Department or Agency Chief Executive before entering into any arrangements regarding the publication or dissemination of any Crown copyright protected material by private sector publishers or information providers. Such arrangements would usually be the subject of specific licensing, to be handled by HMSO’s Copyright Unit. This would not apply in the following circumstances:
a. where material is to be published in learned journals or in the proceedings of conferences or seminars;
b. where the material in question is to be published in an official, authorised work specifically on behalf of the originating department or agency; or
c. where the department or agency is authorised to license the material under specific delegated authority issued by the Controller of HMSO or the Queen’s Printer for Scotland.
4.2.13 Where departments and agencies are authorised to license the reproduction of Crown copyright protected material which they originate, under the cases specified in paragraph 4.2.11 above, they must ensure that:
a. there is an obligation placed on the publisher to acknowledge the Crown copyright source material;
b. Crown copyright is not assigned to the publisher; and
c. that the material is licensed on non-exclusive terms.
4.2.14 Crown copyright is not an issue if a civil servant produces a copyright work unconnected with their official duties and entirely in their own time. If, however, the work in question is linked to their official duties, they should in the first instance consult their Director of Personnel or the Head of their Department or Agency, who in turn may need to consult HMSO’s Copyright Unit. Under these circumstances, the following factors need to be taken into account:
a. whether the civil servant produced the work during official time;
b. whether the work is based on existing Crown copyright source documents; and
c. whether there are security considerations.
4.2.15 If a civil servant writes a book in their own time, which is unrelated to their official duties, but wishes to incorporate extracts of Crown copyright protected material within the work, permission to reproduce the material should be obtained from HMSO’s Copyright Unit. It is customary in such cases for the licence to be granted in favour of the publisher rather than the author, as it is the publisher which is reproducing the material. It is permissible for the author to submit the application on the publisher’s behalf. Where an individual is on secondment outside the Civil Service, copyright in any work which they produce during the term of their secondment will rest with their host organisation unless otherwise agreed.
4.2.16 A series of Guidance Notes on various aspects relating to copyright and official publishing can be obtained from the HMSO, Cabinet Office, or via their Website at http://www.hmso.gov.uk/guides.htm.
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Anyone able to provide 'plain english' instructions on how to post photo's on pprune replies? Looked at the help page for vB code (whatever that is) and its all 'gobble the duke'.
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If my HTML-Fu is good for this site too. you should be able to post via [ IMG ] [ / IMG ] for something already uploaded (just paste in the pic's URL and get rid of the spaces)
If not you'll need to to find web space to upload it as I dont think PPruNe allows attachment uploads.
If not you'll need to to find web space to upload it as I dont think PPruNe allows attachment uploads.
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The plain answer is that any photo's you take in uniform are Crown Copyright and you are not entitled to be paid for them.
If an image is classed as being a 'news item' then no charge is levied for Crown Copyright images but if not then they wack on the fees. The result is that less Crown Copyright images now get used, magazines finding it cheaper to send along their own photographer for the day rather than use images from the station photographers. They also now charge for filming for documentaries - I believe Discovery Wings had to pay to film at Brize for a documentary on the VC.10 despite the undoubted good PR this generated for the RAF.
In practice however I don't know of anyone who has been pulled up for this. Ian Black, among others, produced a number of excellent books filled with images that the public simply would not have seen otherwise.
If in doubt ask the editor to not print your name or print a pseudonym!
If an image is classed as being a 'news item' then no charge is levied for Crown Copyright images but if not then they wack on the fees. The result is that less Crown Copyright images now get used, magazines finding it cheaper to send along their own photographer for the day rather than use images from the station photographers. They also now charge for filming for documentaries - I believe Discovery Wings had to pay to film at Brize for a documentary on the VC.10 despite the undoubted good PR this generated for the RAF.
In practice however I don't know of anyone who has been pulled up for this. Ian Black, among others, produced a number of excellent books filled with images that the public simply would not have seen otherwise.
If in doubt ask the editor to not print your name or print a pseudonym!
All, no doubt, part of the infamous greed of so-called 'Wider Marketing Initiatives' which in this case would exploit your talent whilst refusing to pay you a single penny for it.
When will the Ministry of Madness wake up to the fact that their shareholders (the gen pub) shouldn't be ripped-off for simple services - such as journos filming from an a/c. I'm pretty sure that DPR invited ITN, BBC, Aviation Week, Flight, TASS et al. to film the first Mig 27s to enter UK airspace from the VC10K I was flying; I doubt whether they had to pay for the privilege!
When will the Ministry of Madness wake up to the fact that their shareholders (the gen pub) shouldn't be ripped-off for simple services - such as journos filming from an a/c. I'm pretty sure that DPR invited ITN, BBC, Aviation Week, Flight, TASS et al. to film the first Mig 27s to enter UK airspace from the VC10K I was flying; I doubt whether they had to pay for the privilege!
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29s Beags.
DPR (can't remember which one, possibly Mike Barnes?) thought it "a jolly good idea" after I suggested it to him.
Original plan was simply to stick Janice in a Hawk to accompany the F.3s meeting the MiG mates, but it snowballed a tad.
We (Flight International) did not pay for flights or Crown Copyright pics then, though I would usually put on a barrel as a thank you to the unit that hosted us.
DPR (can't remember which one, possibly Mike Barnes?) thought it "a jolly good idea" after I suggested it to him.
Original plan was simply to stick Janice in a Hawk to accompany the F.3s meeting the MiG mates, but it snowballed a tad.
We (Flight International) did not pay for flights or Crown Copyright pics then, though I would usually put on a barrel as a thank you to the unit that hosted us.
No, it was long before Mike B! Hunter, I think? I was told by my Flt Cdr to keep it secret, so only the crew and the deputy Stn PRO ('Melons') were in on it for a while (which stopped the Boss, Jim 'Updick' from pinching my trip!). Then we were told that DPR might be coming - and the whole thing went supercritical. Fortunately, in the end he didn't!
The delights of Janet pressed firmly against my left shoulder as she squirmed about to secure the best angle (photgraphic!) from the captain's DV window for her piccies are still excellent memories of that day. As is the Flight International filofax she sent on to me after 3 of us bumped into her and scrounged admission to the Flight pavilion at the following Farnborough! It's useful having a rogue like RFK as a co-pilot in such circumstances as he can charm birds from trees and knickers from nuns!
Yes, MiG 29s. Silly typo!
The delights of Janet pressed firmly against my left shoulder as she squirmed about to secure the best angle (photgraphic!) from the captain's DV window for her piccies are still excellent memories of that day. As is the Flight International filofax she sent on to me after 3 of us bumped into her and scrounged admission to the Flight pavilion at the following Farnborough! It's useful having a rogue like RFK as a co-pilot in such circumstances as he can charm birds from trees and knickers from nuns!
Yes, MiG 29s. Silly typo!
