Military Aircrew Thread
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Military Aircrew Thread
Now that I've retired from the military, does that mean that I'm not to 'post' on this thread or is the title just a catch-all for anybody who has even read the word 'military'?
The number of 'Blunties' (not a derogative term) and other 'Trades' that now regulary post on this Military PILOT's thread has grown considerably. They have even been known to pass coment on aviation-related topics, not just how aircrew abuse their latest brand of duvet!
So, is this dilution a good thing or a bad thing, discuss?
The number of 'Blunties' (not a derogative term) and other 'Trades' that now regulary post on this Military PILOT's thread has grown considerably. They have even been known to pass coment on aviation-related topics, not just how aircrew abuse their latest brand of duvet!
So, is this dilution a good thing or a bad thing, discuss?
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Might perhaps have been covered before in some detail? This should save you the trouble of "discussing". 
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...rew+only+forum
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No axe to grind here but, from the forum description, "A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."
Includes blunts as far as I can tell.
Includes blunts as far as I can tell.
this Military PILOT's thread
edited because my Grandma was bad
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Humble apologies ZH875, just resurrecting the periodic review of the topic - just couldn't find an adequate link (which was simply accomplished by wholigan).
After all, had little chance of flying today what with the foul weather up't North - oh, and the fact that the aircraft's in maintenance...........
No individual axe to grind - as I said, I'm a civilian now, not even one of those backroom boys.
How about Ops personnel using the 'Ops' Forum.
ATC using the 'ATC' forum
Task Plans using the ATC Routes forum
Tac Blunty Wg using Ebay etc etc etc
or, are they all too boring to bother with?
Just asking!
ZH875 - watch ya gramma!!
After all, had little chance of flying today what with the foul weather up't North - oh, and the fact that the aircraft's in maintenance...........
No individual axe to grind - as I said, I'm a civilian now, not even one of those backroom boys.
How about Ops personnel using the 'Ops' Forum.
ATC using the 'ATC' forum
Task Plans using the ATC Routes forum
Tac Blunty Wg using Ebay etc etc etc
or, are they all too boring to bother with?
Just asking!
ZH875 - watch ya gramma!!
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Military Aviation Thread ?
This thread is informed and enriched by the contributions of a majority of ex-military pilots, civilian pilots and engineers, and a swathe of techies and fairies, the likes of BAE can only dream of.
If this thread were to partition into serving military aircrew only, given current overstretch down route, on ex, on ops, on sabbatical, on OO, and master race apathy, I fear it would see less than two posts a day.
I suggest a thread name change not an "options for change" style dilution.
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If this thread were to partition into serving military aircrew only, given current overstretch down route, on ex, on ops, on sabbatical, on OO, and master race apathy, I fear it would see less than two posts a day.
I suggest a thread name change not an "options for change" style dilution.
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I'm not a blunty, Swinging Monkey told me so 
In my admittedly limited experience of this forum, there seems to be a reasonable split between flying issues (that I read but generally do not contribute to), procurement and support issues (which I contribute to, if I feel I have a valid viewpoint) and admin (pensions, living conditions etc, etc that I skim these days).
I learn a lot from the flying issues, some of which I take into my day job. As my career has progressed, I have moved away from front line and am now in the procurement/ manufacturing/ testing world. Consequently, my access to aircrew is generally limited and to operational aircrew virtually non-existent.
Without an appreciation of how the kit I am involved in is used, abused and operated I believe that I would only be doing half a job. Conversely, when I have worked with aircrew that have shown an interest in my side of the house, there is generally a better appreciation of why kit is released in the state it is. Often, we have reached a compromise that satisfies both your aspirations and our constraints because the doors are open.
If this 2 way flow of information is blocked, I suspect that part of this forum will turn into a bitching shop about why our aircraft are dirty, unavailable and cannot do everything the glossy brochure says. Also your admin advice may also come from something a mate heard in the bar but cannot remember the detail because he was too p1$$ed.
Admittedly, we do go off on tangents but the forum is sufficiently self moderating that the flow of banter usually winds us back in fairly quickly. The banter gland was not handed in with the 1250.
There is an engineers forum, and aircrew post to that as well when the boys are talking crap. However, that only applies to the other half of the job - discussing spanner sizes, training, pay and why all aircrew are g1ts
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I would certainly view it as a loss if the forum was constrained as suggested, and would have to get my operational input for the next set of requirements, design contract etc from Janes all the worlds fighter pilots or Biggles does Dallas.
Regards
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In my admittedly limited experience of this forum, there seems to be a reasonable split between flying issues (that I read but generally do not contribute to), procurement and support issues (which I contribute to, if I feel I have a valid viewpoint) and admin (pensions, living conditions etc, etc that I skim these days).
I learn a lot from the flying issues, some of which I take into my day job. As my career has progressed, I have moved away from front line and am now in the procurement/ manufacturing/ testing world. Consequently, my access to aircrew is generally limited and to operational aircrew virtually non-existent.
Without an appreciation of how the kit I am involved in is used, abused and operated I believe that I would only be doing half a job. Conversely, when I have worked with aircrew that have shown an interest in my side of the house, there is generally a better appreciation of why kit is released in the state it is. Often, we have reached a compromise that satisfies both your aspirations and our constraints because the doors are open.
If this 2 way flow of information is blocked, I suspect that part of this forum will turn into a bitching shop about why our aircraft are dirty, unavailable and cannot do everything the glossy brochure says. Also your admin advice may also come from something a mate heard in the bar but cannot remember the detail because he was too p1$$ed.
Admittedly, we do go off on tangents but the forum is sufficiently self moderating that the flow of banter usually winds us back in fairly quickly. The banter gland was not handed in with the 1250.
There is an engineers forum, and aircrew post to that as well when the boys are talking crap. However, that only applies to the other half of the job - discussing spanner sizes, training, pay and why all aircrew are g1ts
.I would certainly view it as a loss if the forum was constrained as suggested, and would have to get my operational input for the next set of requirements, design contract etc from Janes all the worlds fighter pilots or Biggles does Dallas.
Regards
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My question would be how do you vet the potential users to make sure they really are who and what they say they are? Who gets access to this information?
As well as that, unless I've missed something, the RAF does not have the equivalent of Arrse, except PPRuNe. So I guess this single forum covers anything and everything you'd expect Arrse to cover over multiple forums.
Anyway, where is the problem? We've all got something to learn about other trades / jobs, and this seems to be the perfect place!
As well as that, unless I've missed something, the RAF does not have the equivalent of Arrse, except PPRuNe. So I guess this single forum covers anything and everything you'd expect Arrse to cover over multiple forums.
Anyway, where is the problem? We've all got something to learn about other trades / jobs, and this seems to be the perfect place!
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EESDL,
" How about Ops personnel using the 'Ops' Forum.
ATC using the 'ATC' forum
Task Plans using the ATC Routes forum
Tac Blunty Wg using Ebay etc etc etc
or, are they all too boring to bother with? "
Where does that leave you then ?
Just asking.
" How about Ops personnel using the 'Ops' Forum.
ATC using the 'ATC' forum
Task Plans using the ATC Routes forum
Tac Blunty Wg using Ebay etc etc etc
or, are they all too boring to bother with? "
Where does that leave you then ?
Just asking.
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Qoute: "Every other Officer is a failed Pilot from OASC !"
A bit unfair mongrelboy; some of us had no intention of applying for aircrew and we get satisfaction from supporting those people who risk their lives etc etc... Seriously, we may all have something valid to contribute and shoudl not be stifled.
Sorry about the typos; "Quote" and "should"
Sorry about the typos; "Quote" and "should"
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I fear a can of worms with this one, the danger with this forum and this website in general is the anonimity of it which allows people (who often have huge axes to grind) to emerge from the sidelines, say their piece then poke off. Its good to have reasoned debate but sometimes it gets a little silly. With regards to an individuals eligibility to post then who controls that? The title of the thread/forum is an indicator of the content, not the entry criteria for you to be able to look/post as you see fit. It is good that we have moderators but providing no one is being totally profane or unforgivably stupid then we should really be allowed to say what we want, shouldn't we?
It doesnt bother me that non-pilots read this, and as has already been pointed out, the title of the forum is "military AIRCREW" so why the need to be so elitist? Banter aside, we all work together and everyone with the exception of a notable few are here to share the wealth and catch up with the latest rumours.
It is however when you get people who are clearly talking out of their behinds and being generally provocative or inflammatory that it starts to chafe. For example there have been a few derogatory threads about the "Reds" recently, and it would seem that they are all from people asking stupid questions. But of course there is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people.
Live and let live I guess, I often read/post elsewhere and am not an airline pilot/hostie/freight dog/wokka chap but no one seems to complain.
Regards
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It doesnt bother me that non-pilots read this, and as has already been pointed out, the title of the forum is "military AIRCREW" so why the need to be so elitist? Banter aside, we all work together and everyone with the exception of a notable few are here to share the wealth and catch up with the latest rumours.
It is however when you get people who are clearly talking out of their behinds and being generally provocative or inflammatory that it starts to chafe. For example there have been a few derogatory threads about the "Reds" recently, and it would seem that they are all from people asking stupid questions. But of course there is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people.
Live and let live I guess, I often read/post elsewhere and am not an airline pilot/hostie/freight dog/wokka chap but no one seems to complain.
Regards
DS
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Tis true that the operators need everyone in uniform to operate.
I recall standing in the Aldergrove bar once with a certain legendary Scotsman, when a night-stopping Herc crew (unusual that) came into the bar. The only other person in the bar was OC SSS, who was wearing combats as he spent most of his time on the building site that was EGAA at the time.
Herc mate: Who's that then (indicating SSS)
Teeters: OC SSS
Herc Mate: Oh, a bluntie.
Whereupon, said legendary Scotsman picks up Herc mate, holds him against the wall and says "See you Jimmie (or words to that effect) there are NO blunties at Aldergrove!"
Mind you, I've also just seen (in the RAF Air Tragickers comic ... blimey, I really must get out more) a picture of 7 aged instructors at the Air Tragic School who boast "Combined ages of 381, total years of service 247 ..... and no campaign medals!!!" ...... blunt or what!
I recall standing in the Aldergrove bar once with a certain legendary Scotsman, when a night-stopping Herc crew (unusual that) came into the bar. The only other person in the bar was OC SSS, who was wearing combats as he spent most of his time on the building site that was EGAA at the time.
Herc mate: Who's that then (indicating SSS)
Teeters: OC SSS
Herc Mate: Oh, a bluntie.
Whereupon, said legendary Scotsman picks up Herc mate, holds him against the wall and says "See you Jimmie (or words to that effect) there are NO blunties at Aldergrove!"
Mind you, I've also just seen (in the RAF Air Tragickers comic ... blimey, I really must get out more) a picture of 7 aged instructors at the Air Tragic School who boast "Combined ages of 381, total years of service 247 ..... and no campaign medals!!!" ...... blunt or what!
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Sounds like a "no stick, no vote" approach.
This forum is at its best when it has plenty of variety, both career and cultural - yes, even Aussies and Yanks can have good ideas, usefull experience and an ability to write. See the posts by Milt, for example, a guy with fascinating stories.
The view from another sharp end - I wore these for six years, may have increasing relevance in today's come as you are, bring a bottle and your bergen, expeditionary warfare.
This forum is at its best when it has plenty of variety, both career and cultural - yes, even Aussies and Yanks can have good ideas, usefull experience and an ability to write. See the posts by Milt, for example, a guy with fascinating stories.
The view from another sharp end - I wore these for six years, may have increasing relevance in today's come as you are, bring a bottle and your bergen, expeditionary warfare.
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Echo 5, to answer your question:
"Rotorheads"
Haven't got a problem with it, just wonder why we bother with the other forums?
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"Rotorheads"
Haven't got a problem with it, just wonder why we bother with the other forums?
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EESDL,
Fair enough, Rotorheads is an excellent forum and one which I visit frequently.
What then is your motive for starting this thread ?
In the past you have posted this:
" Typical, Movers on a Mil Aircrew forum...... line them up against a wall (next to the coppers) and shoot them."
and this:
" Pray, tell me why we have a thread that mentions Muppets....Thought this was an aircrew site?
Muppets have their site over on the Flt Ops/ Airport/Handling section."
Do you have some sort of hidden agenda or do you just look down your nose at those who have not achieved the dizzy heights of aircrew status ?
Perhaps it would be best if you stuck to Rotorheads which ( I have found ) is less confrontational.
Regards to all
E5
Fair enough, Rotorheads is an excellent forum and one which I visit frequently.
What then is your motive for starting this thread ?
In the past you have posted this:
" Typical, Movers on a Mil Aircrew forum...... line them up against a wall (next to the coppers) and shoot them."
and this:
" Pray, tell me why we have a thread that mentions Muppets....Thought this was an aircrew site?
Muppets have their site over on the Flt Ops/ Airport/Handling section."
Do you have some sort of hidden agenda or do you just look down your nose at those who have not achieved the dizzy heights of aircrew status ?
Perhaps it would be best if you stuck to Rotorheads which ( I have found ) is less confrontational.
Regards to all
E5
A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.
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Dear Sir,
I was frankly disgusted to read the military aircrew thread and find several references to Politics, Dialect, Freedom of Speech, and most disgusting of all, the French.
As I pilot, I expect to be able to engage in sensible discourse regarding the size of my wallet, willy, and women (in that order)and will not tolerate any of this disgusting filth masquerading as aviation related topics.
How can professional pilots ever hope to engender the firmly held belief that the world revolves around us, when frequent references are made to current events beyond our immediate horizon.
Thank heavens my own sense of self worth allows me to rise above all this nonsense.
Yours etc...
I was frankly disgusted to read the military aircrew thread and find several references to Politics, Dialect, Freedom of Speech, and most disgusting of all, the French.
As I pilot, I expect to be able to engage in sensible discourse regarding the size of my wallet, willy, and women (in that order)and will not tolerate any of this disgusting filth masquerading as aviation related topics.
How can professional pilots ever hope to engender the firmly held belief that the world revolves around us, when frequent references are made to current events beyond our immediate horizon.
Thank heavens my own sense of self worth allows me to rise above all this nonsense.
Yours etc...