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Never mentioned quiet motorways but it's a nice easy example for you to jump on. A typical response from someone trying to justify the indefensible.
The general point was that there seemed to be a general impression that the "skills" and reactions of a pilot justified their ability to drive fast What about country lanes etc etc with blind bends (lots of examples). The principal is the same not everyone has the same driving capabilities or reations.
It only takes one moment of loss of concentration!
Never mentioned quiet motorways but it's a nice easy example for you to jump on. A typical response from someone trying to justify the indefensible.
The general point was that there seemed to be a general impression that the "skills" and reactions of a pilot justified their ability to drive fast What about country lanes etc etc with blind bends (lots of examples). The principal is the same not everyone has the same driving capabilities or reations.
It only takes one moment of loss of concentration!
What?
It is a totally defensible point.
He was 'caught' on the A1M! How on earth can you assume that he would try 120 mph on a 'country lanes etc etc with blind bends'?
I assess that he would drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions if he were on one of these country roads you speak of..... but we can't assume that can we?.... because that's not the issue here..... the fact that it was on the motorway at 0200L is the point!
It is a totally defensible point.
He was 'caught' on the A1M! How on earth can you assume that he would try 120 mph on a 'country lanes etc etc with blind bends'?
I assess that he would drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions if he were on one of these country roads you speak of..... but we can't assume that can we?.... because that's not the issue here..... the fact that it was on the motorway at 0200L is the point!
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All this about pilots/reactions/driving fast etc etc is embarrassing 
My reactions are awesome - but welsh people use motorways as well, you know
And besides, wasn't the whole point of the thread actually that the young chap in question hasn't yet completed the human-to-skygod conversion course which endows such superhuman abilities?
To resurrect a favourite cliche: 'the superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid situations which require his superior skill'. eg. driving at 115mph.
My reactions are awesome - but welsh people use motorways as well, you know
And besides, wasn't the whole point of the thread actually that the young chap in question hasn't yet completed the human-to-skygod conversion course which endows such superhuman abilities?
To resurrect a favourite cliche: 'the superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid situations which require his superior skill'. eg. driving at 115mph.
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The original post is a wind-up.
Why not put both cars on multi-driver terms?
2 drivers with the same first name and one letter different surnames, leading to a cock-up with the paperwork. Yeh, right.
No details about what the police actually charged him with.
Why not put both cars on multi-driver terms?
2 drivers with the same first name and one letter different surnames, leading to a cock-up with the paperwork. Yeh, right.
No details about what the police actually charged him with.
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Defensible? Apart from the fact that it's currently against the law to drive at above 70mph anywhere in this country. Just because you think the law is wrong does't give you the automatic right to break it just because you think the conditions are right. I don't agree with the present 70 limit but I value my licence so until it's changed....
My main point however is the that assertion that because the guy is a pilot and has special skills and reactions and therefore is better able than most to drive at those speeds is an arrogant and selfish one. Many standards of driver use our roads, some good some bad. It may be on this occasion that it was "safe" to drive at that speed on that particular road however you set a dangerous precedent if you allow individuals to make up their own rules out on the road as they see fit.
Defensible? Apart from the fact that it's currently against the law to drive at above 70mph anywhere in this country. Just because you think the law is wrong does't give you the automatic right to break it just because you think the conditions are right. I don't agree with the present 70 limit but I value my licence so until it's changed....
My main point however is the that assertion that because the guy is a pilot and has special skills and reactions and therefore is better able than most to drive at those speeds is an arrogant and selfish one. Many standards of driver use our roads, some good some bad. It may be on this occasion that it was "safe" to drive at that speed on that particular road however you set a dangerous precedent if you allow individuals to make up their own rules out on the road as they see fit.
71 mph on a lightly-used motorway = illegal
69 mph in poor vis at rush hour = legal
I wouldn't want to drive with you
I'd rather be illegal, and I'm prepared to conduct a campaign of civil disobedience until these absurd limits and speed/revenue traps are abolished.
Guess I'll be waiting a long time then.
69 mph in poor vis at rush hour = legal
I wouldn't want to drive with you I'd rather be illegal, and I'm prepared to conduct a campaign of civil disobedience until these absurd limits and speed/revenue traps are abolished.
Guess I'll be waiting a long time then.
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I did say that I didn't agree with the 70 mph limit however you seem intent on twisting the meaning of every point.
My record of almost 30 years, accident free and with clean licence is a result of driving appropriately for the traffic conditions and within the law. Currently doing around 20k a year
If thats wrong I can live with it and hopefully so can my passengers and other road users.
I did say that I didn't agree with the 70 mph limit however you seem intent on twisting the meaning of every point.
My record of almost 30 years, accident free and with clean licence is a result of driving appropriately for the traffic conditions and within the law. Currently doing around 20k a year
If thats wrong I can live with it and hopefully so can my passengers and other road users.
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On the actual producer, it just mentions I was driving at 115mph. other than that it didn't say anything with regards to the dishonesty part it doesn't mention anything on there.
By the way I am NOT lying. Would I really want to waste my time on Pprune to put up a fake post and review it every day! Come on give me a break!
By the way I am NOT lying. Would I really want to waste my time on Pprune to put up a fake post and review it every day! Come on give me a break!
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So when you go to court, if I were you, I'd take the hit and then get the train/bus to OASC. When there, don't volunteer anything but be completely frank in response to any direct questions you are asked regarding the incident/current status of driving licence.
Try reading a few books on 'human factors in aviation' - see if you can identify those factors which caused you to make such a bad error of judgement:
Press-on-itis: an unfinished task (or lateness) can cause stress and sometimes an irrational desire to 'press on', when really the correct the decision is to do the opposite,
Risky Shift: where a decision made as part of a group often errs on the side of increased risk compared to an individual one,
Machismo: "it won't happen to me" syndrome - belief that one's abilities are such that rules can be disregarded and activities undertaken that are only dangerous for 'normal' people, (read TR's posts for an example)
etc etc.
All those factors are well known to anyone in professional aviation, and may be recognisable to those outside the flying community as well.
So when/if asked about this incident in interview, my advice would be to turn the conversation into a discussion about recognising those factors, and their relevance to safe, professional aviation and you may give yourself the best chance you have. You will have also demonstrated a degree of maturity and ability to learn rapidly from your mistakes that may go some way to impressing those of us who have criticised your actions on this forum to date.
Try reading a few books on 'human factors in aviation' - see if you can identify those factors which caused you to make such a bad error of judgement:
Press-on-itis: an unfinished task (or lateness) can cause stress and sometimes an irrational desire to 'press on', when really the correct the decision is to do the opposite,
Risky Shift: where a decision made as part of a group often errs on the side of increased risk compared to an individual one,
Machismo: "it won't happen to me" syndrome - belief that one's abilities are such that rules can be disregarded and activities undertaken that are only dangerous for 'normal' people, (read TR's posts for an example
)etc etc.
All those factors are well known to anyone in professional aviation, and may be recognisable to those outside the flying community as well.
So when/if asked about this incident in interview, my advice would be to turn the conversation into a discussion about recognising those factors, and their relevance to safe, professional aviation and you may give yourself the best chance you have. You will have also demonstrated a degree of maturity and ability to learn rapidly from your mistakes that may go some way to impressing those of us who have criticised your actions on this forum to date.
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Training Risky,
All I would say to you is that if you are unable to control a vehicle within the limits set down what makes you think you are capable above them?
As for FS's piloting skills at best he is a PPL as he is attempting to go further.
It is my experience that in general pilots do not make good drivers.
My best man has the dubious honour of being the only man I know to whilst attempting to leave a carpark hit the only other car in there. It was actually easier to miss this car than not. To this day I still do not know how or why he did it.
Cheers
BHR
All I would say to you is that if you are unable to control a vehicle within the limits set down what makes you think you are capable above them?
As for FS's piloting skills at best he is a PPL as he is attempting to go further.
It is my experience that in general pilots do not make good drivers.
My best man has the dubious honour of being the only man I know to whilst attempting to leave a carpark hit the only other car in there. It was actually easier to miss this car than not. To this day I still do not know how or why he did it.
Cheers
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"The Sun
MON 27 JUN 2005
Ed: 4GMD
Pg: 12
Word Count: 106 119mph ban cut
AN RAF officer has had a driving ban reduced -after claiming it endangered national security. Squadron Leader Philip Witcombe, 35, was nabbed at 119mp... "
Perhaps he has a few tips for you!
MON 27 JUN 2005
Ed: 4GMD
Pg: 12
Word Count: 106 119mph ban cut
AN RAF officer has had a driving ban reduced -after claiming it endangered national security. Squadron Leader Philip Witcombe, 35, was nabbed at 119mp... "
Perhaps he has a few tips for you!
