People in glass cockpits shouldn't throw stones? Rafale cheek....
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So you think that Janes all the worlds aircraft is the source of all knowledge. Try doing the job for a little while and then you will realise that you cannot publicly share what you know. Amateur
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I can back up my comments
If you think i post these for the stake of making a splash and tease the British here you're wrong.
What interest me is how it is in real life and what i read in many forum and even the Anglo-American specialised press is sometime out of this world.
France is rather discreet and more how could i put it... passionate about aviation? I can think of many occasions where the other nation aircraft have been praised by the French press, in most publications even today, the US/Uk cannot even publish a proper plan 3 view of Rafale, it's the combination of the A and C/D they are showing. Guess what, even Jane's 2004-05 edition, i wrote to them for correction and they said...Thank you
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No i don't, there is a lot more to what i know about it. But it is certainly a good base for developing a research and far better than the tabloids your pal was mentioning.
Amateur toi-meme.
What interest me is how it is in real life and what i read in many forum and even the Anglo-American specialised press is sometime out of this world.
France is rather discreet and more how could i put it... passionate about aviation? I can think of many occasions where the other nation aircraft have been praised by the French press, in most publications even today, the US/Uk cannot even publish a proper plan 3 view of Rafale, it's the combination of the A and C/D they are showing. Guess what, even Jane's 2004-05 edition, i wrote to them for correction and they said...Thank you
2engineer(retard)
No i don't, there is a lot more to what i know about it. But it is certainly a good base for developing a research and far better than the tabloids your pal was mentioning.
Amateur toi-meme.
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As for the tabloids, I was in France when La Monde headlined the carrier being too short. As a good base for research you need to do something more than read the press, their information comes from industry who will not publicly sell their kit short and tend to publish specifications not data. I suggest that they got their Rafale pictures from Dassault, perhaps you should check with their configuration control manager.
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Yuocan read French good then.
engineer(retard)
You know you've been talking horse manure as some of you guys does while pretending giving a professional opinion.
Fact is France have strike capabilties you don't have as well as long range AEW you can only dream of. Cut the bulls and show us what you're really about.
Got anything else than an attempt to flame? I thougth NOT.
There no arguing with facts and trying your best to get the poster instead of the subject is only an admission of failure.
What i got from Dassault you can only dream of. Try something else.
I'm not impressed.
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That's a roger sir, i had some very intensive training with the best flamers in the world. Believe me this was the best they could but megod, they're good at it.
I'm desperate for the seriousness and the professionalism i was used by living and flying with some real pros.
These are the guys who are interesting to read and to learn from. Thanks for your kindness.
You know you've been talking horse manure as some of you guys does while pretending giving a professional opinion.
Fact is France have strike capabilties you don't have as well as long range AEW you can only dream of. Cut the bulls and show us what you're really about.
Got anything else than an attempt to flame? I thougth NOT.
There no arguing with facts and trying your best to get the poster instead of the subject is only an admission of failure.
What i got from Dassault you can only dream of. Try something else.
I'm not impressed.
2Widger
That's a roger sir, i had some very intensive training with the best flamers in the world. Believe me this was the best they could but megod, they're good at it.
I'm desperate for the seriousness and the professionalism i was used by living and flying with some real pros.
These are the guys who are interesting to read and to learn from. Thanks for your kindness.
Gegene
Ne vous levez pas à l'amorce. La plupart des poteaux que le crticise votre pays sont du bleu-clair qui ont toujours eu l'équipement inférieur. Les bleu-foncé (Marine Nationale) comprennent que de ce que les Français sont capables et ont donc le respect pour votre équipement et équipage aérien.
Ne vous levez pas à l'amorce. La plupart des poteaux que le crticise votre pays sont du bleu-clair qui ont toujours eu l'équipement inférieur. Les bleu-foncé (Marine Nationale) comprennent que de ce que les Français sont capables et ont donc le respect pour votre équipement et équipage aérien.
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Who has the record for flaming?
If you want to know what we have got read Janes. If you are doing serious research into military capability then look at source material not sales brochures. If your research is serious and you have credibility then you may get it. Asking for sensitive information on a public forum is futile. Shame there is not a smiley for a moon at this point.
Widger
It'll be the best capability on paper or in storage I'm afraid.
JimLad
Understood your advice, and he has reached your 2nd level. I know I should not but I've time to kill before I go on holiday.
If you want to know what we have got read Janes. If you are doing serious research into military capability then look at source material not sales brochures. If your research is serious and you have credibility then you may get it. Asking for sensitive information on a public forum is futile. Shame there is not a smiley for a moon at this point.
Widger
It'll be the best capability on paper or in storage I'm afraid.
JimLad
Understood your advice, and he has reached your 2nd level. I know I should not but I've time to kill before I go on holiday.
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Will have to go some to catch up with Sea jet then. Hope you get your finger unstuck from your Caps Lock button. I think that french is such a romantic language, don't you?
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Everything goes.
So far i'm laughing...
Absolutly no substances and no further comments on the subject. Record for flaming? I you mean correcting the innacuracies of the arrogant pretenders, well that's ME.
And i did it rather succesfully which is not your case boys, you made little impression and certainly not that of a seasoned pro.
Have a nice day.
As for the export, no hurry mate, we'll have them sooner and larger than Typhoon. Just watch.
2Widger
I know exactly what you mean, yesterday there was some guys bashing up a few Russians in another forum; when it's not the French it's someone esle, this is low estime to my books.
And always the same stuff, no substance only assumptions, false claims uncheckable infos on the ground that they are pretending to be some (?) whatever.
I'm not interested, the real though necks aren't showing off at the first opportunity and when they talk (or write) you can tell who they are.
I hope they don't give responsibilities to such guys in the forces....
Enjoy your W-E mon ami.
Absolutly no substances and no further comments on the subject. Record for flaming? I you mean correcting the innacuracies of the arrogant pretenders, well that's ME.
And i did it rather succesfully which is not your case boys, you made little impression and certainly not that of a seasoned pro.
Have a nice day.
As for the export, no hurry mate, we'll have them sooner and larger than Typhoon. Just watch.
2Widger
I know exactly what you mean, yesterday there was some guys bashing up a few Russians in another forum; when it's not the French it's someone esle, this is low estime to my books.
And always the same stuff, no substance only assumptions, false claims uncheckable infos on the ground that they are pretending to be some (?) whatever.
I'm not interested, the real though necks aren't showing off at the first opportunity and when they talk (or write) you can tell who they are.
I hope they don't give responsibilities to such guys in the forces....
Enjoy your W-E mon ami.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
As for the export, no hurry mate, we'll have them sooner and larger than Typhoon. Just watch.
Sooner? The Austrians have already bought Eurofighter. Better luck with the larger...
Sooner? The Austrians have already bought Eurofighter. Better luck with the larger...
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Isn't this all a bit like debating in 1937 whether the Spitfire or Hurricane is better? Both the Typhoon and Rafale are barely out of the prototype stage and probably have 40 years of maturing and development in front of them.
At the moment, you can strap a Litening II pod and some Enhanced Paveways on just about anything from a B-52 or an A-10 to an F-18E and you have a fantastic air-ground platform. Similarly, if you've got a datalink, helmet sight, Amraam/Mica/AA-12 and a high off-boresight IR missile you have a fantastic air-air platform. Variables such as pilot training, currency, rules of engagement and the operational scenario you're facing also complicate the debate considerably.
Is Rafale better than Typhoon? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think there's any way to get a definitive answer just from reading Jane's and quoting lots of wind tunnel data and the number of Part II deficincies that test pilots have found. Of course, if you're particularly proud of the amount of time you've spent reading Jane's and want some form of admiration - you have it already. Well done Gegene.
At the moment, you can strap a Litening II pod and some Enhanced Paveways on just about anything from a B-52 or an A-10 to an F-18E and you have a fantastic air-ground platform. Similarly, if you've got a datalink, helmet sight, Amraam/Mica/AA-12 and a high off-boresight IR missile you have a fantastic air-air platform. Variables such as pilot training, currency, rules of engagement and the operational scenario you're facing also complicate the debate considerably.
Is Rafale better than Typhoon? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think there's any way to get a definitive answer just from reading Jane's and quoting lots of wind tunnel data and the number of Part II deficincies that test pilots have found. Of course, if you're particularly proud of the amount of time you've spent reading Jane's and want some form of admiration - you have it already. Well done Gegene.
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He's now reached stage 2 - the abuse and questioning of everyones credentials because they don;t agree with him. He then claims they are ignorant and will shortly start on personal abuse and claim that everyone bar him is a flamer.
I've seen this happen on more boards than I can remember with this guy, I may well drop the mods a line soon to alert them to what is lurking here.
I've seen this happen on more boards than I can remember with this guy, I may well drop the mods a line soon to alert them to what is lurking here.
