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Hyd3f posts bollox.................now there is a suprise
"You don't need to be married to live in a "FAMILY" quarter. BUT if you are Gay then you have to prove your relationship is stable by participating in a civil ceremony... is that discrimination or not?"
You do need to be married, or have been married and now divorced, to be entitled to FMQ's, and even then divorced folk can only have them if they are needed to "house" their kids during custodial access.
NO civil ceremony....NO FMQ. It's not rocket science and was pointed out to you not that long ago on another thread where you posted the same innacurate twoddle.............twit
Now lets get this thread back on course..........Gay's in the Navy...it'll never catch on.............sh1t it already has
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"You don't need to be married to live in a "FAMILY" quarter. BUT if you are Gay then you have to prove your relationship is stable by participating in a civil ceremony... is that discrimination or not?"
You do need to be married, or have been married and now divorced, to be entitled to FMQ's, and even then divorced folk can only have them if they are needed to "house" their kids during custodial access.
NO civil ceremony....NO FMQ. It's not rocket science and was pointed out to you not that long ago on another thread where you posted the same innacurate twoddle.............twit
Now lets get this thread back on course..........Gay's in the Navy...it'll never catch on.............sh1t it already has
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SFA - what does it mean?
ABIW - FMQs haven't been called that for about 10 years - they are now SFA (Service Family Accommodation) recognising that the term 'married' is pejorative.
Closer to home, for you at least, there was a pilot from Lyneham who was divorced and who had an established gay partner who was also serving. They openly shared a quarter in Siberia (Wroughton OFQs). I cannot recall how the nature of their 'established' partnership was determined, but I think a joint current account was a start. This was 6 years ago - and was a matter for DHE and not the RAF. Didin't cause any problems IIRC.
By the way, there are some excellent, clear and concise postings by purportedly gay service personnel. Once again, the Services are trapped by the 'halo' effect - feeling obliged to contract external agencies or consultants - and as An Teallach pointed out, self-appointed arbiters - to provide advice that could be obtain foc internally!
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Closer to home, for you at least, there was a pilot from Lyneham who was divorced and who had an established gay partner who was also serving. They openly shared a quarter in Siberia (Wroughton OFQs). I cannot recall how the nature of their 'established' partnership was determined, but I think a joint current account was a start. This was 6 years ago - and was a matter for DHE and not the RAF. Didin't cause any problems IIRC.
By the way, there are some excellent, clear and concise postings by purportedly gay service personnel. Once again, the Services are trapped by the 'halo' effect - feeling obliged to contract external agencies or consultants - and as An Teallach pointed out, self-appointed arbiters - to provide advice that could be obtain foc internally!
CC
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Cambridge Crash,
Just sometimes on PPRuNe you come across as a sanctimonious, over-inflated a**e! Is this because of your pseudonym or are you actually just as self-indulgent and arrogant as you seem!?
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Edited to resolve CC's concerns. Nothing implied or intended CC!
Just sometimes on PPRuNe you come across as a sanctimonious, over-inflated a**e! Is this because of your pseudonym or are you actually just as self-indulgent and arrogant as you seem!?
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Edited to resolve CC's concerns. Nothing implied or intended CC!
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From the DHE website:
Entitlement to a Family quarter:
1. You must be over 18 with a family.
2. You must have at least 6 months remaining to serve.
3. You must have completed initial training.
Now, where does it say you have to be married ? Thats why they changed their names from Married quarters to Family quarters.
The reason I know full well that you don't need to be married is that I have a good friend who has split from his girlfriend and has left his mortgaged home and now lives in a FQ.
As far as civil ceremonies go.... best ask HRH about that one eh!!!!!
Now, lets get back to the thread.
Entitlement to a Family quarter:
1. You must be over 18 with a family.
2. You must have at least 6 months remaining to serve.
3. You must have completed initial training.
Now, where does it say you have to be married ? Thats why they changed their names from Married quarters to Family quarters.
The reason I know full well that you don't need to be married is that I have a good friend who has split from his girlfriend and has left his mortgaged home and now lives in a FQ.
As far as civil ceremonies go.... best ask HRH about that one eh!!!!!
Now, lets get back to the thread.
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Bloggsy, you get one in every forum. If I've got a pain in the ar*e, I usually ignore it and it gets bored and goes away.
I suggest we do the same, eh? There are people with far more experience of life in general, and the Armed Forces in particular, whose experiences and opinions are more worthy of our consideration. Besides, I didn't go to uni and learn big words [but I did learn to spell...].
I suggest we do the same, eh? There are people with far more experience of life in general, and the Armed Forces in particular, whose experiences and opinions are more worthy of our consideration. Besides, I didn't go to uni and learn big words [but I did learn to spell...].
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Wonder if the "inflated" one will have the humility to admit his error and apologise for the assumption that Bloggs, along with most of us who frequent these threads, was forced to make, ie he is a sanctimonious "ar@e,.......... which I happily post and whole heartedly concur with
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ABIW - what is it that you are objecting to in my post? 2 statements of fact?
Or that I support a rational comment by a person about outsourcing advice? By the way, must get a spell-check on this chat room!
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Or that I support a rational comment by a person about outsourcing advice? By the way, must get a spell-check on this chat room!
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'Bout time we all just got on with it.
This advert always makes me smile
Doesn't always show up for some reason, bit it is the one with the line of police, with riot shields. All say POLICE, except one which says GAY POLICE.
the slogan is;
The only difference you will notice, is the one we make.
Nuff Said[
This advert always makes me smile
Doesn't always show up for some reason, bit it is the one with the line of police, with riot shields. All say POLICE, except one which says GAY POLICE.
the slogan is;
The only difference you will notice, is the one we make.
Nuff Said[
The day that the MOD announced that homosexuality was now allowed in the Forces, I had the pleasure of flying the chief Navy man in Hongkers just before we handed it over. CBF was late, so in an attempt to make conversation:
Huey(wessexman)meister "What do you think about homosexuality in the Navy?"
COS Navy geezer "It's fine by me ..as long as they don't make it compulsory!!!!"
Hueymeister "..........................for once lost for words............"
Huey(wessexman)meister "What do you think about homosexuality in the Navy?"
COS Navy geezer "It's fine by me ..as long as they don't make it compulsory!!!!"
Hueymeister "..........................for once lost for words............"
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Crash, old boy, I've come to expect better of you. You have shown you are an intelligent individual who can make reasoned arguments. I think the objections come from your use of quasi-legalistic language in an attempt to intimidate those who raise strong rebuttals of your posts (you have done this before).
By the way, nothing posted here and aimed at you can be classed as defamation, since you (like the rest of us) post under an anonymous pseudonymn - you can only be defamed by something aimed at your real identity.
Please refrain from using such tactics in future - I do not wish to lose the respect I have developed for my favorite PPRuNe lefty!
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By the way, nothing posted here and aimed at you can be classed as defamation, since you (like the rest of us) post under an anonymous pseudonymn - you can only be defamed by something aimed at your real identity.
Please refrain from using such tactics in future - I do not wish to lose the respect I have developed for my favorite PPRuNe lefty!
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CC, can we assume the deletion of your most recent obnoxious post is somehow an apology to Bloggs
H3F........I suggest a further visit to the DHE website, or at least the 2005 version I looked at today on the intra Net, and have a closer look which will show that you do indeed have to be married to qualify for the TLA that denotes "quarters", or if not married provide a date for the forthcoming nuptuals
Eagerly await your next "informative" offering
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H3F........I suggest a further visit to the DHE website, or at least the 2005 version I looked at today on the intra Net, and have a closer look which will show that you do indeed have to be married to qualify for the TLA that denotes "quarters", or if not married provide a date for the forthcoming nuptuals
Eagerly await your next "informative" offering
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I suggest a further visit to the DHE website, or at least the 2005 version I looked at today on the intra Net, and have a closer look which will show that you do indeed have to be married to qualify for the TLA that denotes "quarters", or if not married provide a date for the forthcoming nuptuals
From the DHE website:
Entitlement to a Family quarter:
1. You must be over 18 with a family.
2. You must have at least 6 months remaining to serve.
3. You must have completed initial training.
Hope they dont throw me out of my 1/4 as I'm not married...
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All Contributions Wellcome
ABIW - akin to the theme of this thread, what Fg Off Bloggs and I do in private is....private. You are not privy to our PMs so don't enter into someone else's argument, which I can happily say is resolved.
What are your objections about gay couples in quarters - or indeed gay service personnel in general? I am sure we would all enjoy reading your, er, thoughts.
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What are your objections about gay couples in quarters - or indeed gay service personnel in general? I am sure we would all enjoy reading your, er, thoughts.
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Some may remember my battle for a quarter at XXXXX - I took my case to the Rt Hon George Robertson MP at the time. His Ministerial enquiry resulted in a letter from a Naval Capt at the MoD explaining that 'although same sex couples may be entitled to SFA, the regulations are extant that unmarried personnel are not currently permitted to occupy SFA'. When I became Marital Cat 2 I should have been entitled to SFA, but was denied it by HTS, OC PMS, OC PSF and DHE because they 'didn't believe that the other natural parent of the child would not spend more than 56 days in any 1-year period in the property'. One would be allowed to have ANY OTHER person stay in the house, but not the child's other natural parent. Anyway, the nice Padre sorted-out my 18-month battle in less than 24 hours.
I have a problem, now, with routes and dets: Who can share with whom? Are there regs in the individual services as to room-sharing. I appreciate that I cannot share a room with a female, since I am male, but should I, by the same principal therefore, not be allowed to share a room with a homosexual male? And should I be permitted to share a room with a homosexual female, since we surely share the same sexual orientation?
Hmmmm?
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I have a problem, now, with routes and dets: Who can share with whom? Are there regs in the individual services as to room-sharing. I appreciate that I cannot share a room with a female, since I am male, but should I, by the same principal therefore, not be allowed to share a room with a homosexual male? And should I be permitted to share a room with a homosexual female, since we surely share the same sexual orientation?
Hmmmm?
{edited for spolling}
Back in the days before Pink Wednesday, I used the excuse that sexual orientation which was permitted in the US Armed Forces, but not in the RAF, required that any ORs under my command on overseas night stops were not required to endure USAF transit shared same-sex accommodation, where they might be subject to (then) illegal sexual advances, in order to make sure that we always stayed off-base.
Seemed to work OK. No idea what things are like nowadays, now that blatant Uniform Golf activity is seemingly permitted.
Seemed to work OK. No idea what things are like nowadays, now that blatant Uniform Golf activity is seemingly permitted.
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CC my well educated chum, my last post....
"CC, can we assume the deletion of your most recent obnoxious post is somehow an apology to Bloggs"......
alluded to your assertion that Bloggs had somehow defamed you......you remember the one, where you used that new word that none of us had ever heard of..perjamerjslerja or something like that.
After weeks and weeks of you telling us how scholarly superior you were to us mere mortals it was quite satisfying to see you fall flat on your ar@e ..........shame the ensuing embarresment caused you to delete "your finest hour"
H3F,
DHE website......application form.....marital cat or date of ensuing nupuals are mandatory fields.................any thoughts??
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"CC, can we assume the deletion of your most recent obnoxious post is somehow an apology to Bloggs"......
alluded to your assertion that Bloggs had somehow defamed you......you remember the one, where you used that new word that none of us had ever heard of
..perjamerjslerja or something like that.After weeks and weeks of you telling us how scholarly superior you were to us mere mortals it was quite satisfying to see you fall flat on your ar@e
..........shame the ensuing embarresment caused you to delete "your finest hour"H3F,
DHE website......application form.....marital cat or date of ensuing nupuals are mandatory fields.................any thoughts??
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BEagle's post raises an interesting point about the USAF's policy viz gay personnel.
The US forces' "don't ask, don't tell" policy is deceptive. It does very little to introduce equality, because it does not state that gay personnel cannot be discriminated against. The entire pretext of the rule is that gay personnel have to keep their sexuality completely secret. How is this fair?
When I joined the RAF in 2001 I spent the following 3 years keeping my previously open sexuality a secret. This is not easy, and surely leaves gay personnel subject to blackmail, previously the supposedly primary reason that homosexuality was not tolerated. Now I have nothing to worry about, and my work rate and morale has increased.
If the RN wants to encourage gay people to join up, so what? The RAF advertises in such esteemed journals as Loaded, Zoo, and FHM - I wonder when we'll see a Sun or Daily Mail headline screaming about the RAF's attempts specifically to recruit male lager louts? Everyone has the potential to make a contribution.
When all is said and done, gay personnel are allowed in the Armed Forces. So why not try to recruit them?
The US forces' "don't ask, don't tell" policy is deceptive. It does very little to introduce equality, because it does not state that gay personnel cannot be discriminated against. The entire pretext of the rule is that gay personnel have to keep their sexuality completely secret. How is this fair?
When I joined the RAF in 2001 I spent the following 3 years keeping my previously open sexuality a secret. This is not easy, and surely leaves gay personnel subject to blackmail, previously the supposedly primary reason that homosexuality was not tolerated. Now I have nothing to worry about, and my work rate and morale has increased.
If the RN wants to encourage gay people to join up, so what? The RAF advertises in such esteemed journals as Loaded, Zoo, and FHM - I wonder when we'll see a Sun or Daily Mail headline screaming about the RAF's attempts specifically to recruit male lager louts? Everyone has the potential to make a contribution.
When all is said and done, gay personnel are allowed in the Armed Forces. So why not try to recruit them?