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Ha ha...the old PR gag..... the only way the tory liars are going to be elected...
So, the main reason you want to elect Mr Coward is because the last time you got a pay rise....hmmmmm well if you read the conservatory mandate I think you will find little mention of pay rises for aircrew...in fact I think you will see lots of good news for the Armed forces...words such as streamlining".... "More efficient"..."we will make major savings" and where is the conservative manifesto on defence?...where is the priority?...well look carefully and you might be able to find defence just after "Mobile phone mast technology" and "protecting traditional country pursuits" (like murdering foxes with dogs). Nope fellas, you will have to try harder to persuade me that the Tories have any interest at all in the AF's.
So, the main reason you want to elect Mr Coward is because the last time you got a pay rise....hmmmmm well if you read the conservatory mandate I think you will find little mention of pay rises for aircrew...in fact I think you will see lots of good news for the Armed forces...words such as streamlining".... "More efficient"..."we will make major savings" and where is the conservative manifesto on defence?...where is the priority?...well look carefully and you might be able to find defence just after "Mobile phone mast technology" and "protecting traditional country pursuits" (like murdering foxes with dogs). Nope fellas, you will have to try harder to persuade me that the Tories have any interest at all in the AF's.
It might be better if Bliar's lot scrapes back into power to face the economic mess caused by Brown's tax spend and waste regime. Worldwide, interest are low and tax rates are falling, so they can't blame anyone else but themselves for the mess they have created.
Crossbow, you have to be a fervent and enthusiastic labour supporter to spout that rubbish.
You said: Remember the conservative government -- The ones who gave you:
1. The Poll Tax - A damn sight fairer than the rip off council tax we all suffer from suffer now.
2. 3 Million people unemployed - a world recession didn't help. Today 2.5 million out of the UK's 3.5 unemployed have been reclassified as on "sickness benefit".
3. 15% interest rates - high global interest rates caused by the world recession and inflation, not helped by high oil prices.
Crossbow, you have to be a fervent and enthusiastic labour supporter to spout that rubbish.
You said: Remember the conservative government -- The ones who gave you:
1. The Poll Tax - A damn sight fairer than the rip off council tax we all suffer from suffer now.
2. 3 Million people unemployed - a world recession didn't help. Today 2.5 million out of the UK's 3.5 unemployed have been reclassified as on "sickness benefit".
3. 15% interest rates - high global interest rates caused by the world recession and inflation, not helped by high oil prices.
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Are you talking about the Tony B.Liar who infuriated the unions (!) by maintaining the Tory spending plans for his first two years in Govt?
He must have thought the Tory plan was a good one, then?
Are you talking about the Tony B.Liar who infuriated the unions (!) by maintaining the Tory spending plans for his first two years in Govt?
He must have thought the Tory plan was a good one, then?
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To answer the question: Rip out the liars and cheats in the Cabinet. I won't elaborate - it would take too long.
Noo Labour are a cancer that needs cutting out.
I agree with Brakedwell's summing up and blowing apart of the 3 items Crossbow came up with.
Some figures about who voted for whom last time round.
There were 41,620,262 entitled to vote.
17,712,000 did not bother to vote.
The total numbers who voted for one of the main (three) parties was 23,908,262.
The number of actual votes cast for the main parties and others:
Labour 10,740,168
Conservative 8,352,845
Lib Dems 4,815,249
Others 780,000
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How any sane, reasonable person can vote Noo Liars Labour back in is beyond me.
This country deserves much better than the proven liars in the top echelons of Noo Labour power.
Look at Blunkett - still sitting in the best money can buy after deliberately and knowingly issuing First Class rail warrants to his fancy woman. Imagine if the Stn Cdr tried that crap - out on his ear quicker than you can say "VISA for my friend".
Look at Mandy: Deliberately misleads Parliament and gets a dodgy loan - undeclared.
Look at Two Jags: the bugger should be back on ships serving the tea.
Look at Morley/Beckett/Whitty: Made a complete arse of the FMD 2001 outbreak.
More than 11 million animals slaughtered, of which 87% were healthy.
REFUSED a Public Inquiry into the FMD disaster that had cost this nation £40 BILLION (Institute of Directors figure) and still after 4 years have not sorted out the FMD Contingency Plan!
Noo Labour are a load of devious toads - look at the trouble we have had even getting that slippy eel BLiar to agree to a Referendum on the EU Constitution. The complete sod was not even going to allow us to vote on the most VITAL issue that has swallowed up democracy for a 1000 years.
Look what Noo Labour has sucked us into (after Heath signed us up without telling the whole truth - he admitted this) and most UK voters are blindfolded to the facts.
1.. supremacy of community law
2.. supremacy of the Union's court
3.. supremacy of the Central Bank of the Union
4.. a single currency
5.. a common economic zone
6.. common external borders
7.. free movement of goods, persons, services and capital
8.. common citizenship
9.. a common defence policy in the future
10.. a common foreign policy in the future
11.. ID cards
12.. coming soon trial without a jury
13.. jail/detention without proven criminal intent (oh sorry you are a terror suspect crap)
Guess what country had all that sh*t in place not so very long ago........ our old enemy the USSR.
The vote has to be CON - the best in the basket at this time.
The UKIP having committed the shot in the foot routine (KRS).
TG
Noo Labour are a cancer that needs cutting out.
I agree with Brakedwell's summing up and blowing apart of the 3 items Crossbow came up with.
Some figures about who voted for whom last time round.
There were 41,620,262 entitled to vote.
17,712,000 did not bother to vote.
The total numbers who voted for one of the main (three) parties was 23,908,262.
The number of actual votes cast for the main parties and others:
Labour 10,740,168
Conservative 8,352,845
Lib Dems 4,815,249
Others 780,000
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How any sane, reasonable person can vote Noo Liars Labour back in is beyond me.
This country deserves much better than the proven liars in the top echelons of Noo Labour power.
Look at Blunkett - still sitting in the best money can buy after deliberately and knowingly issuing First Class rail warrants to his fancy woman. Imagine if the Stn Cdr tried that crap - out on his ear quicker than you can say "VISA for my friend".
Look at Mandy: Deliberately misleads Parliament and gets a dodgy loan - undeclared.
Look at Two Jags: the bugger should be back on ships serving the tea.
Look at Morley/Beckett/Whitty: Made a complete arse of the FMD 2001 outbreak.
More than 11 million animals slaughtered, of which 87% were healthy.
REFUSED a Public Inquiry into the FMD disaster that had cost this nation £40 BILLION (Institute of Directors figure) and still after 4 years have not sorted out the FMD Contingency Plan!
Noo Labour are a load of devious toads - look at the trouble we have had even getting that slippy eel BLiar to agree to a Referendum on the EU Constitution. The complete sod was not even going to allow us to vote on the most VITAL issue that has swallowed up democracy for a 1000 years.
Look what Noo Labour has sucked us into (after Heath signed us up without telling the whole truth - he admitted this) and most UK voters are blindfolded to the facts.
1.. supremacy of community law
2.. supremacy of the Union's court
3.. supremacy of the Central Bank of the Union
4.. a single currency
5.. a common economic zone
6.. common external borders
7.. free movement of goods, persons, services and capital
8.. common citizenship
9.. a common defence policy in the future
10.. a common foreign policy in the future
11.. ID cards
12.. coming soon trial without a jury
13.. jail/detention without proven criminal intent (oh sorry you are a terror suspect crap)
Guess what country had all that sh*t in place not so very long ago........ our old enemy the USSR.
The vote has to be CON - the best in the basket at this time.
The UKIP having committed the shot in the foot routine (KRS).
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You forgot to mention the link between Claire Short and her paternal Uncle.
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I'm not quite sure what scares me the most. I don't know if it is:
A) The fact that you believe the B******t that spews forth from your mouth.
B) The dream land that you live in about flying from BAe Warton- I think you've mis-spelt and should drop the 'f'.
C) If you are indeed a 'F-Lyer' at 'RAF Warton' how did your lack of mathematical skills get you past the Interview and Aptitude tests, IOT, EFT and the fast jet course?
D) The fact that you are 'Monkey'-ing about above my parent's houses.
Enjoy the 'Monkey'-ing while you can. Labour has a piss-poor record when it comes to standing by expensive Military Aircraft projects, especially when they are a Government in Crisis with a General Election looming. Anybody told you about the TSR2 yet?
Do you also subscribe to the Anti-Semitic Ad campaign? The current policy about Muslim Fundamentalists allowed to be placed under house arrest vis a vis Internment... all the other hair brained ideas?
I thank god I am a tax exiled ex pat living in the sun not contributing to the manufacture of Tony's Clones like you. I believe, if you say who you say you are, you also possess a service revolver? Well there's some waste ground at the back of 5 Hangar...get the message?
You forgot to mention the link between Claire Short and her paternal Uncle.
Crossbow
I'm not quite sure what scares me the most. I don't know if it is:
A) The fact that you believe the B******t that spews forth from your mouth.
B) The dream land that you live in about flying from BAe Warton- I think you've mis-spelt and should drop the 'f'.
C) If you are indeed a 'F-Lyer' at 'RAF Warton' how did your lack of mathematical skills get you past the Interview and Aptitude tests, IOT, EFT and the fast jet course?
D) The fact that you are 'Monkey'-ing about above my parent's houses.
Enjoy the 'Monkey'-ing while you can. Labour has a piss-poor record when it comes to standing by expensive Military Aircraft projects, especially when they are a Government in Crisis with a General Election looming. Anybody told you about the TSR2 yet?
Do you also subscribe to the Anti-Semitic Ad campaign? The current policy about Muslim Fundamentalists allowed to be placed under house arrest vis a vis Internment... all the other hair brained ideas?
I thank god I am a tax exiled ex pat living in the sun not contributing to the manufacture of Tony's Clones like you. I believe, if you say who you say you are, you also possess a service revolver? Well there's some waste ground at the back of 5 Hangar...get the message?
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The number of actual votes cast for the main parties and others:
Labour 10,740,168
Conservative 8,352,845
Lib Dems 4,815,249
Others 780,000
Labour 10,740,168
Conservative 8,352,845
Lib Dems 4,815,249
Others 780,000
An anti-Bliar consensus needs to be built. Most voters in 2001 rejected Bliar and this was before the Iraq adventure, detention without charge etc...
Some B-lies in no particular order...
B-lie 1! "I tried to stow away on a flight to the Caribbean as a schoolkid". No he didn't, can anyone imagine a direct flight from Newcastle during the 60s/70s?
B-lie 2! "I watched Jackie Milburn play for Newcastle from the vantage point of sitting behind the goalposts at St James's Park". Bliar was 4 when Milburn left Newcastle and the ground was wll-standing.
B-lie 3! "Weapons inspectors were kicked out of Iraq by Saddam Hussein". Nope, they were withdrawn prior to Op DESERT FOX.
B-lie 4! Something about current and serious threat from WMDs, some of which can be launched in 45 minutes etc... Err, where exactly are these WMDs?
The man is either irredeemably self-obsessed and dishonest or suffers from a borderline personality disorder. Let's see how much of a leading role he plays in Election '05 - I predict he wil be invisible because he is a B-liability to his party and because there are thousands of people out there who would happily plant a fist on his face on prime time TV.
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Nice to see Labour supporters still arguing from a point of ignorance. The Conservative spending plans do currently include an increase in defence spending. The Labour spending plans include taxing us all more, reducing everyone's effective earnings, to buy more votes for themselves by gerrymandering policies that put large swathes of the country on benefits (Labour tends to increase benefits, so those so dependent tend to vote Labour) and in government service, in pointless jobs (Labour tends to increase public sector pay, and many jobs are politicised, so these will vote Labour).
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Airborne_artist,
Sure, he thought the C policies were essentially OK- he knew however that the perception (?and maybe the reality) was that the C were a bunch of $hites- answer; nick the policies, OK, we (New Lab) are a bunch of $hites, too ( lemme tell you about Gordon) but you don't know that yet!
I'm Trussmeetone, vote New Labour- and enough of them did!
Sure, he thought the C policies were essentially OK- he knew however that the perception (?and maybe the reality) was that the C were a bunch of $hites- answer; nick the policies, OK, we (New Lab) are a bunch of $hites, too ( lemme tell you about Gordon) but you don't know that yet!
I'm Trussmeetone, vote New Labour- and enough of them did!
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Well said Crossbow.
Send Clowns et al seem to have a very short memory.....Historically, which party has cut defence the most....the tories. You moan about Buff.......Soames was a shambles when Min(AF) and he would be the SoS!
Send Clowns et al seem to have a very short memory.....Historically, which party has cut defence the most....the tories. You moan about Buff.......Soames was a shambles when Min(AF) and he would be the SoS!
Instead of the current lot who use the Armed Forces more than any other Government since World War Two - and then slash them?
And who are so commited to providing offensive systems that they see fit to cut the means to protect these highly valuable, highly vulnerable asets.
And who are so commited to providing offensive systems that they see fit to cut the means to protect these highly valuable, highly vulnerable asets.
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Try reading my post before criticising. I was talking about conservative policy, and pointing out that when crossbow was pontificating on it he was completely wrong: their announced policy is to increase spending on defence. I am right, he is wrong.
I was in the mob for some Tory cuts. They were unfortunate, but as far as I could see from a lowly position they were just about in line with commitments, although did reduce quality of life and caused some relatively minor problems. Princess Toneeee has increased commitments while further cutting back. I was in for that too, and it was just ridiculous.
hyd3, as most lefties, just said "they made a mess", no attempt to justify, no credit to Thatcher for saving the country from economic shambles. No acknowledgement that the current prosperity comes from Conservative policy, that started our current track in 1992. No comment on Labour policy over that time, or on the prevailing world conditions.
Try reading my post before criticising. I was talking about conservative policy, and pointing out that when crossbow was pontificating on it he was completely wrong: their announced policy is to increase spending on defence. I am right, he is wrong.
I was in the mob for some Tory cuts. They were unfortunate, but as far as I could see from a lowly position they were just about in line with commitments, although did reduce quality of life and caused some relatively minor problems. Princess Toneeee has increased commitments while further cutting back. I was in for that too, and it was just ridiculous.
hyd3, as most lefties, just said "they made a mess", no attempt to justify, no credit to Thatcher for saving the country from economic shambles. No acknowledgement that the current prosperity comes from Conservative policy, that started our current track in 1992. No comment on Labour policy over that time, or on the prevailing world conditions.
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Almost every one knows that we have one of the most corrupt Governments in British democratic history. The problem is that we call bare faced lies spin and none of the politicians are held accountable.
But the real truth is that in the next election the voters of our beloved land will ensure that labour get back into power. For no other reasons than interest rates are at historic and prolonged lows!!
The problem is that corruption breeds corruption. Having got back in power in spite of all the lies etc they will see it as a blank cheque to go even further. A historic 3rd term is inevitable but unthinkable!!!
But the real truth is that in the next election the voters of our beloved land will ensure that labour get back into power. For no other reasons than interest rates are at historic and prolonged lows!!
The problem is that corruption breeds corruption. Having got back in power in spite of all the lies etc they will see it as a blank cheque to go even further. A historic 3rd term is inevitable but unthinkable!!!
After hearing part of George W's State of the Union, I wonder what fantasy of a pretext B.liar will use to join George for his next foray into foreign diplomacy.
Only time will tell. Thank goodness there maybe an election this year, and maybe some rational thought about the world and our place in it, will happen.
If, as George W. states that Iran and Syria are the next areas of concern, and that they do have reported WMDs, we can only hope that part of the world does not end up a barren waste land for thousands of years, with all it's consequences, on people and places.
The world has just got a little less safe in the last twenty four hours.
Only time will tell. Thank goodness there maybe an election this year, and maybe some rational thought about the world and our place in it, will happen.
If, as George W. states that Iran and Syria are the next areas of concern, and that they do have reported WMDs, we can only hope that part of the world does not end up a barren waste land for thousands of years, with all it's consequences, on people and places.
The world has just got a little less safe in the last twenty four hours.
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I think comparisons with the previous Tory governments are fundamentally meaningless. Like all administrations of whatever colour, the Tories made good and bad decisions. Certainly some of their defence cuts were ill-advised, but if we want to dredge up old war wounds, lets remember who cancelled TSR2 and then the F111, CVA01....need I go on?
What worries me most about the current lot is that some of the changes being made are constitutionally very damaging indeed, quite apart from the ill-judged war and the issues surrounding that. The Tories are probably not electable at the moment, but it is a trueism that policitians never win elections, they just gain power when someone else loses.
At the moment however, I think we are all losing.
What worries me most about the current lot is that some of the changes being made are constitutionally very damaging indeed, quite apart from the ill-judged war and the issues surrounding that. The Tories are probably not electable at the moment, but it is a trueism that policitians never win elections, they just gain power when someone else loses.
At the moment however, I think we are all losing.
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Well, that's the point - he is only Prime Minister so he is not allowed to act like a dictator and change anything important in our country without a democratic process requiring a vote by a majority in the House of Commons and endorsed by the House of Lords. Problem is he seldom spends any time in Parliament and appears to have little regard for the democratic process.
One has to hope his majority next time will make him return to the commons or, better still, put him on the opposite side of the house.
One has to hope his majority next time will make him return to the commons or, better still, put him on the opposite side of the house.
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You are actually wrong, but why let the truth get in the way of a typpically opportunistic tory rant. What did Mrs T do to the forces a couple of months after the Falklands? You mention well founded Tory cuts - try explaining that to the medical services folk - that is of course if there are any left.
You are actually wrong, but why let the truth get in the way of a typpically opportunistic tory rant. What did Mrs T do to the forces a couple of months after the Falklands? You mention well founded Tory cuts - try explaining that to the medical services folk - that is of course if there are any left.
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Send Clowns et al seem to have a very short memory.....Historically, which party has cut defence the most....the tories. You moan about Buff.......Soames was a shambles when Min(AF) and he would be the SoS!