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Sorry to be a bit old fashioned here but perhaps this will help Hyd3 with his problem.
When I were a lad, a proper officer never went anywhere without his DJ (one memorable night at The Tropicana floorshow in LV wearing Tuxedo paid dividends later, if I recall, and yes HMQ paid for me to be there on Ex but I paid the entrance fee etc etc).
Looking at some of the QFIs in the picture, I suspect that they are of similar vintage to me and were abiding by that old tradition!
Give it a rest Hyd3. Frankly, you are becoming rather bloody boring now! You've made your point, nobody agrees (bar Lee Jung and Mad Mark who can't get the sand out of his tent) yet you insist on behaving like a petulent teenager!
When I were a lad, a proper officer never went anywhere without his DJ (one memorable night at The Tropicana floorshow in LV wearing Tuxedo paid dividends later, if I recall, and yes HMQ paid for me to be there on Ex but I paid the entrance fee etc etc).
Looking at some of the QFIs in the picture, I suspect that they are of similar vintage to me and were abiding by that old tradition!
Give it a rest Hyd3. Frankly, you are becoming rather bloody boring now! You've made your point, nobody agrees (bar Lee Jung and Mad Mark who can't get the sand out of his tent) yet you insist on behaving like a petulent teenager!
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are you saying they should have gone to stay in a monastery for the weekend??? Or locked themselves in hotel never to go out until the trip back?
When I were a lad, a proper officer never went anywhere without his DJ
They took their DJ's because "an officer never goes anywhere without his DJ" and bugger me if it didn't happen to be someones leaving run as well....Hey, thats lucky they took their DJ's then...
back pedal, back pedal, back pedal. You all know, every one of you that this was a gross misappropriation of public spondoolies....AND in a vane attempt to justify the waste and as a rescue package for your own Beano's you are defending this as if it was good value for money....
Right. I'm off now. Had enough of this thread. C ya all at the bar (in my DJ - which I just happen to have in my overnight bag)
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Mayday, Mayday, Mayday!
Straight Jacket required and 4 burly men to assist with sectioning of Hyd3 in Somerset ASAP.
He's lost it and is in full rant mode on "Aircraft Commander" also.
Also using profane language without employment of hyroglyphics, clearly lower deck attitude!
Mayday, Mayday, Mayday!
Straight Jacket required and 4 burly men to assist with sectioning of Hyd3 in Somerset ASAP.
He's lost it and is in full rant mode on "Aircraft Commander" also.
Also using profane language without employment of hyroglyphics, clearly lower deck attitude!
Mayday, Mayday, Mayday!
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I've been following this thread with some mild interest. I don't see how a squalid-little-rag of a paper can cause such a stir amongst supposedly intelligent people?!
IMHO if there happens to be an opportunity to dine-out an officer, who has given decades of service to the UK, why not take it? I think there are some people who think that this was a trip PLANNED just for a dining-out jaunt. Sounds to me like this approaching slander!
Time to rest the sphincters, me thinks!
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IMHO if there happens to be an opportunity to dine-out an officer, who has given decades of service to the UK, why not take it? I think there are some people who think that this was a trip PLANNED just for a dining-out jaunt. Sounds to me like this approaching slander!
Time to rest the sphincters, me thinks!
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I went to see my local careers office, and am now convinced that the only other places that exist in the world (other than the UK)are middle eastern deserts, african jungles and a small rocky land mass somewhere in the south atlantic.
Perhaps I should have paid attention at school?
I'm not bitter (although it sounds otherwise), but I am safe in the knowledge that if it wasn't for the skills of people like myself then airframes for these jollys wouln't be available. It would be nice to be appreciated and taken on one once in a while though.
Perhaps I should have paid attention at school?
I'm not bitter (although it sounds otherwise), but I am safe in the knowledge that if it wasn't for the skills of people like myself then airframes for these jollys wouln't be available. It would be nice to be appreciated and taken on one once in a while though.
Doesn't it all come under the "Forces X-Factor"??
The powers that be have decreed that OTFs are required. They must also have agreed that reasonable costs associated with the OTF are acceptable and in the budget. I'm sure it doesn't say the OTFs must or must not include an overnight or weekend stay at the taxpayers expense. I'm sure the budget allows for a proportion of OTFs to be more than a day trip out and back. It must then surely be left up to the squadron boss to decide/agree how to distribute his resources. A bit of a reward for working hard, a bit of recognition for the good guys. Nowt for the moaners "its not fair"!
Please, there is more than enough negative X-Factors to still outweigh this sort of positive X-Factor
And surely the supervision is such that the impress and claims are checked before submission??
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The powers that be have decreed that OTFs are required. They must also have agreed that reasonable costs associated with the OTF are acceptable and in the budget. I'm sure it doesn't say the OTFs must or must not include an overnight or weekend stay at the taxpayers expense. I'm sure the budget allows for a proportion of OTFs to be more than a day trip out and back. It must then surely be left up to the squadron boss to decide/agree how to distribute his resources. A bit of a reward for working hard, a bit of recognition for the good guys. Nowt for the moaners "its not fair"!
Please, there is more than enough negative X-Factors to still outweigh this sort of positive X-Factor
And surely the supervision is such that the impress and claims are checked before submission??
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Well said, Lineslime (I hope that you don't really feel like your name). If I were running a squadron and you were on it with an attitude like that you would be first in the queue for a jolly and I'd buy the first round when we got there.
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Wrong chaps. Well prepared aircrew ALWAYS deploy with kit appropriate to the mission.
On an operational deployment with a bomb bay full of bonbs, the first thing I had to do in accepting the load was load the COs golf clubs on the forward fuselage tank.
Frank Bonfield and his crew ALWAYS came in on the Exercise Micks and Mickey Finns with the expectation of going to the country club near Manston. And that was 40 years ago.
No allowances though just a few ton of avtur.
On an operational deployment with a bomb bay full of bonbs, the first thing I had to do in accepting the load was load the COs golf clubs on the forward fuselage tank.
Frank Bonfield and his crew ALWAYS came in on the Exercise Micks and Mickey Finns with the expectation of going to the country club near Manston. And that was 40 years ago.
No allowances though just a few ton of avtur.
Wrong, PN, some tw@ts often deploy with what they hope might be needed....
Deployed with a 3 VC10K operational det to Leuchars many years ago to support Northern QRA when the Sovs were having a big naval exercise. I was on the first a/c in and, as underwarmonger, set about organising the readiness declarations with our AD taskers. We'd hold 2 at high RS, the other at 1 hour. The station support was excellent and 'Big George' of VASF had his team all raring to go. Then the next a/c landed, taxiied in and shut down. They wouldn't answer the ops RT. Up went the steps...and the first person out of the door was an aged ex-10 Sqn AT Air Eng complete with golf bag.
Chief warmonger, quite rightly, went nuts. "You're not on f*****g holiday, your here on Ops. Get that a/c turned to Readiness 30 NOW!"
And so they stayed for several hours! It was a good det, lots of piccies of Ivan and lots of flying. And NO SODDING GOLF!
Deployed with a 3 VC10K operational det to Leuchars many years ago to support Northern QRA when the Sovs were having a big naval exercise. I was on the first a/c in and, as underwarmonger, set about organising the readiness declarations with our AD taskers. We'd hold 2 at high RS, the other at 1 hour. The station support was excellent and 'Big George' of VASF had his team all raring to go. Then the next a/c landed, taxiied in and shut down. They wouldn't answer the ops RT. Up went the steps...and the first person out of the door was an aged ex-10 Sqn AT Air Eng complete with golf bag.
Chief warmonger, quite rightly, went nuts. "You're not on f*****g holiday, your here on Ops. Get that a/c turned to Readiness 30 NOW!"
And so they stayed for several hours! It was a good det, lots of piccies of Ivan and lots of flying. And NO SODDING GOLF!
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This thread makes me feel very happy to have left the mob some years ago. What pathetic bunch of losers would complain about the chaps just using their noddles to make the best of an opportunity?
Ferchrissake, it's not surprising that morale in the services is bad.
"All leave is cancelled until morale improves! Burn another sack of mail - except the ones edged in black"
Ferchrissake, it's not surprising that morale in the services is bad.
"All leave is cancelled until morale improves! Burn another sack of mail - except the ones edged in black"
Shy..I'm with you..let it go...you're all holding on too tight.....besides, who really gives a monkeys. The hours had already been bought and paid for in the contract, as they are all leased.
Let it go..........
Let it go..........
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Ah but Beags the new wave was approaching even then. Mind you one day she who must be obeyed was rung by sqn to say that I would not be home that night.
I know she said. How do you know? He took his civvies with him!!!!!!!!
I did, they were in my para bag, far more useful than a parachute, and true enough we had 3 days at Waddo. I must confess I only had one change of underwear which was rather better than some less wholesome people.
I know she said. How do you know? He took his civvies with him!!!!!!!!
I did, they were in my para bag, far more useful than a parachute, and true enough we had 3 days at Waddo. I must confess I only had one change of underwear which was rather better than some less wholesome people.
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There is a massively disproportionate response to what's going on here. Every job has its ups and downs, and this was one of the ups - the guys used a legitimate training requirement to have some fun. The purpose was not de facto to get p!ssed, it was to carry out an OTF. That they used it to have some fun (hopefully) within the rules speaks highly of the initiative with which we like our officers and airmen to be instilled.
Similarly, 33 Sqn spent a few weeks in Switzerland where they got excellent experience from high altitude training in blowing snow - not an easy thing to do in a helicopter, and tough conditions to find anywhere, especially outside a ski resort. That they had a good time there is one of the ups. What is one of the downs is that there are people on the sqn who will be spending at least a third of a three year tour in Iraq. And they are begrudged a 3-week exercise someplace nice? Perspective check...
Similarly, 33 Sqn spent a few weeks in Switzerland where they got excellent experience from high altitude training in blowing snow - not an easy thing to do in a helicopter, and tough conditions to find anywhere, especially outside a ski resort. That they had a good time there is one of the ups. What is one of the downs is that there are people on the sqn who will be spending at least a third of a three year tour in Iraq. And they are begrudged a 3-week exercise someplace nice? Perspective check...
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...Ehrrr - am I missing something here? We seem to be the only ones talking about it now... I had forgotten Switzerland in all the euphoria of taking apart the Prague incident. In case no-one has noticed, there are gaudy pics flashed across the press at the mo' dealing with some Cretins in Germany...
If we stop posting now, it will all go away until the next no news day or the next pi**ed of erk calls the Scum with a hot juicy tip.
If we stop posting now, it will all go away until the next no news day or the next pi**ed of erk calls the Scum with a hot juicy tip.
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Well prepared aircrew ALWAYS deploy with kit appropriate to the mission.
Sorry I forgot .. alongside Cocker Ps are Defence Diplomacy aren't they!!
Motes and Beams chaps..
One of HM Grey Funnel Line's little grey boats - I think it was the Iron Duck - once arrived weeks late at the Malvinas after having been delayed to keep an eye on the warring fuzzy-wuzzies in some third world ****pit (from a prudent distance, of course). It was supposed to be the Malvinas guard ship. So did it stay for the originally anticipated period of time after arriving late? Of course not; cockers Ps up and down the South American continent to attend were of infinitely greater priority.......
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One of HM Grey Funnel Line's little grey boats - I think it was the Iron Duck - once arrived weeks late at the Malvinas after having been delayed to keep an eye on the warring fuzzy-wuzzies in some third world ****pit (from a prudent distance, of course). It was supposed to be the Malvinas guard ship. So did it stay for the originally anticipated period of time after arriving late? Of course not; cockers Ps up and down the South American continent to attend were of infinitely greater priority.......
I recall a certain grey funnel liner which was acting as the Malvinas guard ship and because of the warring fuzz-wuzzies the ship didn't actually cross the line (Equator).
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I suppose at the end of the day all this comes under the 11th commandment:
'Though shall not get caught'.
I remember what my first squadron CO said:
'If you f*$k up in good faith I will back you to the hilt, if it is either malicious or indefensible you can stand by'. Still a good maxim, however I wouln't expect to be backed up these days.
'Though shall not get caught'.
I remember what my first squadron CO said:
'If you f*$k up in good faith I will back you to the hilt, if it is either malicious or indefensible you can stand by'. Still a good maxim, however I wouln't expect to be backed up these days.