Pay 2005
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Way back in 1952 a Flt Lt and 6 airmen provided a pall bearer service at the King's funeral.
2 medals were handed to them later.
Flt Lt grabbed one of them!!!
The 6 airmen had to draw a lucky dip ticket from a hat for the other medal.
And such inconsistencies still prevail today!!! OMG !!!!!
2 medals were handed to them later.
Flt Lt grabbed one of them!!!
The 6 airmen had to draw a lucky dip ticket from a hat for the other medal.
And such inconsistencies still prevail today!!! OMG !!!!!
I've said it before but I will say it again - there are those of us who deployed for SS2 but, of course, as soon as the Afghan thing kicked off we were involved in both the war and the exercise.
However, the incompetent, negligent dicks who devised the criteria for the Afghan gong still managed to exclude those of us who flew inside Afghanistan airspace, dispensing the ever-necessary gasoline to the fighter, bomber and recce trade. How is it that only aviators who flew in theatre AFTER the intense conflict ended get the gong and those of us there at kick-off don't? It beggars bloody belief! Since when was 1 Dec a sensible starting date for the medal?
If I ever meet anyone remotely involved with setting up this gong I will have their £*****g guts out and shove the stuff down their miserable throats! How can they be allowed to keep their sh1tty little jobs! Nincompoops!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
However, the incompetent, negligent dicks who devised the criteria for the Afghan gong still managed to exclude those of us who flew inside Afghanistan airspace, dispensing the ever-necessary gasoline to the fighter, bomber and recce trade. How is it that only aviators who flew in theatre AFTER the intense conflict ended get the gong and those of us there at kick-off don't? It beggars bloody belief! Since when was 1 Dec a sensible starting date for the medal?
If I ever meet anyone remotely involved with setting up this gong I will have their £*****g guts out and shove the stuff down their miserable throats! How can they be allowed to keep their sh1tty little jobs! Nincompoops!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Eloquently put, Mr B...
Any luck with an airline job yet? The RAF's loss of yet another skilled aviation professional will doubtless benefit yet another airline....
Any luck with an airline job yet? The RAF's loss of yet another skilled aviation professional will doubtless benefit yet another airline....
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Why has a thread about the 2005 pay award become about medals? To get back to the thread I can see us getting above inflation this time just! but it being taken back as usual by the above inflation rises in food, accommodation etc etc. Still there will be less people to pay by the years end, and those remaining will be working much more than 3% harder as a result, so another win by spin from the government.
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Hooded - quite right get back to pay. But to answer the question perhaps you dont compare in general with other occupations and thetefore will not merit an infation busting increase. With whom is a comparison to be made including ALL benefits (and drawbacks)?
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I think you and I must have been at Seeb at the same time! I stayed in theatre for a total of three 6-week rotations, commencing on October 5th 2001, and yet it's only the last of the three that counts! Bizarre thinking from the policy makers....
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I think you and I must have been at Seeb at the same time! I stayed in theatre for a total of three 6-week rotations, commencing on October 5th 2001, and yet it's only the last of the three that counts! Bizarre thinking from the policy makers....
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WH, Inflation busting indeed I said higher just! My guess being that the Govt has lost a number of servicemen this year due to it's policies to fight an unpopular war. As such with an election coming up a small above inflation rise would look good but then take it all away and more by increasing charges. We can't be compared with other occupations the military is different by it's nature. I hear CAS is surprised at the high take up of the redundancy offer with figures like 10 times oversubscribed and 80% of those eligable applying etc. If that is true then CAS may wish to see an above inflation rise given the true feeling within his force that these figures suggest.
Here's the link
http://www.mod.uk/linked_files/issues/afprb_rpt2005.pdf
The only good point is NCA now go onto higher rate flying pay at their 18 year point, insted of 22 years. (As of 1 Apr 05)
http://www.mod.uk/linked_files/issues/afprb_rpt2005.pdf
The only good point is NCA now go onto higher rate flying pay at their 18 year point, insted of 22 years. (As of 1 Apr 05)
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Buff Hoon's contribution to the debate
Direct quote from the Defence Internal Brief on the subject:
Commenting on the award, Geoff Hoon said: 'This pay increase is thoroughly deserved. It has been a challenging year for the Armed Forces and I continue to be impressed with their commitment and achievements.' Warms the cockles, doesn't it..? Might have been better if he'd said nothing, rather than this somewhat pathetic platitiude.
Commenting on the award, Geoff Hoon said: 'This pay increase is thoroughly deserved. It has been a challenging year for the Armed Forces and I continue to be impressed with their commitment and achievements.' Warms the cockles, doesn't it..? Might have been better if he'd said nothing, rather than this somewhat pathetic platitiude.
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So I read Mercer's report at www.ome.uk.com and noted that the UK gets BETTER pay than the USA. At base rates that is, but the DoD awards a Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH) to everyone who elects to live of base and provides free accommodation to those electing to live on base. So I wouldn't trust a survey that appears to focus on Base Pay. Furthermore, I'd take a good look at the standard of living, morale-boosting facilities for deployed personnel etc.
Secondly, there is no mention of Contribution in Lieu of Council Tax (CILOCT) in this year's report. Indeed, there hasn't been a mention of it since 2002. A letter to Binnsworth reveals that 'the regulations are contained in AP3392, sir'. Upon questioning the statute or Act that permits the MoD to take CILOCT from our pay Binnsworth say 'AP3392 IS the regulation, sir.' So, on asking to which local authority my CILOCT is paid I'm told that that information is not available. Any thoughts?
Edited because I just finished reading - RAF STAFFORD and UKSU RAMSTEIN? How many front line aviators got their views heard in those locations then?
Secondly, there is no mention of Contribution in Lieu of Council Tax (CILOCT) in this year's report. Indeed, there hasn't been a mention of it since 2002. A letter to Binnsworth reveals that 'the regulations are contained in AP3392, sir'. Upon questioning the statute or Act that permits the MoD to take CILOCT from our pay Binnsworth say 'AP3392 IS the regulation, sir.' So, on asking to which local authority my CILOCT is paid I'm told that that information is not available. Any thoughts?
Edited because I just finished reading - RAF STAFFORD and UKSU RAMSTEIN? How many front line aviators got their views heard in those locations then?
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Well you can moan all you like about the pay rise but I for one am gonna take it. If the rest of you don't want yer 3% then I'll have yours.
I suppose its fair game to mank about pay and allowances and rightly so. Wouldn't be fun if we couldn't have a mank....
I did notice though that Flying Maintainers are going to have their Flying pay related to the task....thats been muted for some time.. might see a few moaning maintainers now then
If the aircrew at these bases didn't get to have their say, then that is not the due to the AFPRB not wanting to hear their voices. That would have been a management issue. The list of establishments visited by the AFPRB is at appendix 4 and is quite substantial. Every one at those bases would have been given the opportunity to have their say.
I suppose its fair game to mank about pay and allowances and rightly so. Wouldn't be fun if we couldn't have a mank....
I did notice though that Flying Maintainers are going to have their Flying pay related to the task....thats been muted for some time.. might see a few moaning maintainers now then
Edited because I just finished reading - RAF STAFFORD and UKSU RAMSTEIN? How many front line aviators got their views heard in those locations then
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Having read (quickly) through the AFPRB link, it seems that when the new LSA rates (14 of them) come into effect, you have to do 300 days for each increment jump! Should i read it again or has any one else noticed this? So for level 14 you would have to do nigh on 14 years away! Winner.
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Clucking Bell. 3 months from getting the first FRI and they bin it. Serves me right for keeping my fingers crossed. Knowing my luck it will come back in again just as I leave! Glad to see the SFA rates have eaten away half the increase again. Oh well, I feel valued and looked after. "RANT OVER" sorry all!
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Given continued NCA
manning shortages and the end of the NCA FRI in 2006, we agree that the NCA
qualification period for the top rate of Flying Pay should be reduced from 22 to 18 years
to bring NCA into line with Officers
manning shortages and the end of the NCA FRI in 2006, we agree that the NCA
qualification period for the top rate of Flying Pay should be reduced from 22 to 18 years
to bring NCA into line with Officers
I assume that as nothing has been said about the continuing, or otherwise, of PAS, then nothing has changed, again good news.
