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Royals in the Forces - a nuisance or worse?

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Old 14th Jan 2005, 11:09
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Must be a good time for a rousing performance of 'The Flag' at tonights' Happy Hour.

Wonder if Harry knows the words?
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 11:34
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I am personally not a great fan of royals in the Forces - having known what Prince Andrew was, and is, still like

I must be missing something. I served on 2 squadrons with H and although no one can deny he was academically challenged, he was a natural "poler" and liked by all. Squadron Dinners were generally a laugh with H around. I also went on a few detachments with him and he always joined in with the boys, worked hard and played hard.
The europeans loved him 2.

I was at a bar in Denmark with him one evening when a girl came up to me and whispered in my ear, "We all love your Prince Edward" Laugh, I spilt my drink.
 
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Harry

Harry has become the target of a disgraceful, international media feeding-frenzy. It is astounding how quickly the plight of the millions around the Indian Ocean has been driven off the front pages, even of self-styled “quality” newspapers, by the antics of a gilded, stupid and ill-educated youth. (Eton ranked 195th in the league-table of examination results published yesterday).

He needs a good hard kick up the bum from someone and should have had one years ago. His father does not seem to be up to it. I doubt whether either the RN or the RAF would have accepted either his academic results or his “OQs”. He appears thick enough for Sandurst, but ought to be “straightened out” in the ranks before being considered for a commission. Perhaps two years at Deepcut Barracks might do the trick.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 13:24
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What a load of small minded weasels are on here. If young not-especially-bright Royal officers are a problem, they are certainly not a new one, as the 'problem' goes back hundreds of years.
This is hardly a compelling argument. It is rather like saying "anti-Semitism has a long and distinguished history".

Maybe with his very average academic results and his recent behaviour, I would think there would be many other better qualified potential officers out there. Perhaps he should consider a couple of years in the ranks
Exactly right.

The fact that the prospect of service as a private soldier (for which is obviously much better suited) is essentially unthinkable just shows how archaic the monarchy is.

Why don't we wish them both well and be grateful that young men of all backgrounds still wish to join our forces.
Because "young men of all backgrounds" are obviously not treated equally by the British armed forces. If and when Harry chooses to voluntarily renounce his title, special perks, and place in the line of succession to the throne, then - and only then - will he be worthy of respect.

I'm not holding my breath.

He was at a PRIVATE party, wearing a joke uniform.
I believe that most meetings of the Klu Klux Klan are private functions, too.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 13:27
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You can buy a hitler/Nazi outfit from many fancy dress shops....why the big fuss?
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 13:29
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He's immature and surprisingly unaware. He should know better - that every media hound worldwide is just waiting for the scoop that will cause major front page headlines.

His entourage of advisers need a swift and painful kick up the backside for allowing him to do it.

And if it was my party, I would have found the toerag who took the photo and flogged it to the gutter press and banned him or her from future events. And I would ensure all my friends did as well. Party guests should ensure discretion to avoid embarrassing fellow guests and the hosts.

No doubt it will continue to be milked for everything editors think it is worth. Pity his efforts to assist the Red Cross in packing up stuff for the disaster appeal didn't attract the same world-wide coverage - but then that wouldn't sell newspapers, would it?
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 13:42
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His entourage of advisers need a swift and painful kick up the backside for allowing him to do it.
Harry dressed up like a Nazi. Not the advisers.

Whilst I appreciate that the concept of accepting personal responsibility is entirely foreign to the moronic members of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, the blame should not be shifted off to the entourage.

And if it was my party, I would have found the toerag who took the photo and flogged it to the gutter press and banned him or her from future events.
And if it was my party, the photo would have been of me ejecting Mr. Nazi at the toe of my boot. Again, stop pointing the finger at other people, and start focusing on who was really at fault in this matter.

Speaking as someone who wore a Luftwaffe uniform to a particularly good BoB party at North Weald 20+ years ago, all I can say is "Who gives a t*ss what he wore".
Your own judgment and taste are questionable; but in any case, I note that you didn't dress up as a Gestapo officer (and obviously we all know why). And you are (presumably) a private person, not a member of the Royal Family to whom we have all sworn allegiance.

Hundreds of thousands of Commonwealth servicemen died in WWII. And now a Royal prat unthinkingly honours the fascist legacy of his great-great-uncle. This is no joking matter.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 13:52
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I think that the record at the Covert Oxonian Aerodrome was 4 Hitlers at one Oktoberfest......

But none were princes.

There is a BIG difference!
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 15:05
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MLS, my intention was not to shift the blame from the individual - as I said, he should have known better and been more aware. No doubt he will have had a pointed and one-sided chat with Dad, Grampa, or Grandma. I was merely pointing out that there are others who contributed to the debacle...
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 15:34
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I was merely pointing out that there are others who contributed to the debacle...
At the risk of hair-splitting: his advisors allowed the debacle, they didn't contribute to it. I.e., their passive responsibility is, IMHO, much less than his active responsibility. That said, I do appreciate and acknowledge that you didn't suggest that Harry was himself blameless.

It is tempting to think that because Harry is young, his repeated acts of poor judgment should be excused. But he is now 20:
old enough to vote
old enough to drink
old enough to serve in the army
old enough to enter into binding contracts
old enough to know better

He is not a little boy anymore.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 16:06
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MLS - couldn't agree with you more...
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 16:22
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Just like to point out :-
1. That he never asked to be a royal.

2. Is there statute of limitations on dressing up as genocidal nutters, or are the various Gengis Khans, Napoleans, Ceasars etc who appear at military fancy dress parties also in incredible poor taste.

3. He never intended anyone who actually survived the Nazis to ever see and be offended by his costume, he was at a private party. It was the press who offended everyone.

4. And anyway, get off your high horses you grumpy tw@ts
Personally, considering his family background I think it just possibly shows quite an ironic sense of humour.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 16:47
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Hey guys, I've just been sent a v.funny (but obviously faked) picture of our hero, but have no means of hosting it. Anyone help me out?

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Old 14th Jan 2005, 17:05
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he never asked to be a royal.
True; but he chooses to remain one. Although he can't change his birth, he does have the option of renouncing his birthright (which was the option offered to Princess Margaret in 1955 ... sadly, she choose money and royal perks over true love).

Is there statute of limitations on dressing up as genocidal nutters, or are the various Gengis Khans, Napoleans, Ceasars etc who appear at military fancy dress parties also in incredible poor taste.
I don't know what the answer is; but I'd suggest that at least 100 years should pass before one decides to impersonate a maniac responsible for the deaths of millions of people, including many British subjects.

He never intended anyone who actually survived the Nazis to ever see and be offended by his costume.
I have no idea what his intention was. Neither do you. And neither, I suspect, does he.

If he came forward and offered a sincere public apology, that would go a long way towards clearing the air. We all make mistakes (usually not as stupid as this, but still ...), and most people are pretty willing to forgive them if you demonstrate that you have learned from the experience and feel genuine remorse.

It was the press who offended everyone.
The press published accurate information. The offensive nature of that information was not the fault of the photographer, or the editor. Nothing was invented or misrepresented, and the press is not to blame.

it just possibly shows quite an ironic sense of humour
Some sense of humour. What about some Jewish jokes ... a laugh a minute, right? I think not.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 18:11
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I take it then that TV progs like 'Allo 'Allo should be banned and we shouldn't have a laugh at the past while still taking it seriously. Lighten up, this PC thing has gone too far. Harry is entitled to wear whatever he likes at private parties. It may have been a "bad taste" party in which case he was properly attired.

Just got the digitally re-mastered Battle of Britain film on DVD. Pizza ordered and wine in fridge. Good night.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 20:22
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Stick it up your @rse!
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 21:02
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Hey guys, I've just been sent a v.funny (but obviously faked) picture of our hero, but have no means of hosting it. Anyone help me out?
Register with
http://photobucket.com/
then upload your piccie and post a link.
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Old 14th Jan 2005, 21:03
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A clearly faked, and hopefully less offensive picture of our hero
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AA........I probably shouldn't laugh. But that is very funny!!

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Old 15th Jan 2005, 09:45
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Apart from the gutter press and MLS who actually gives a t0ss? There are a lot more important things to worry about than what some yoof wears to a BAD TASTE party.
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