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Tony - you say that only since 1920 could the VC be awarded posthumously. Dont think that is correct because there are numerous posthumous awards made during the First war.
Capt Noel Chavesse was killed winning his second VC in Aug 1917. The award was gazetted in Sep 1917.
Amended to make apology...
Sorry Tony just read the bit on the Victoria Cross ref site about the posthumous awarding.
Capt Noel Chavesse was killed winning his second VC in Aug 1917. The award was gazetted in Sep 1917.
Amended to make apology...
Sorry Tony just read the bit on the Victoria Cross ref site about the posthumous awarding.
ML,
The pilot (John Cruickshank) did get the VC.
The comment appended by the Sec of State for War (I believe) pointed out that while it was true that there was an 'element' of self-preservation, the award of a VC was entirely appropriate.
I suspect that someone behind a desk had tried to say that the VC couldn't be awarded if the terms of the warrent were applied exactly, and the memo could be interpreted as whatever the 1944 equivalent of 'back in your box, sunshine' was.
I'm puzzled by the 1920 reference for a posthumous VC on the relevant site:
If you go to this about Temp. Lt Robert Wain of the Tank Corps, you see that the VC winner was most definitely killed in the act that won him the medal. The site seems to imply that, officially it was impossible to receive a posthumous VC, but this was ignored. Or does it?
And as for the Medal of Honor, wasn't a gentleman from the Poole area recently awarded one for rescuing a CIA chap from the prison uprising in Afghanistan (where John Walker Lind was captured)? Sure I saw something about it in the press.
The pilot (John Cruickshank) did get the VC.
The comment appended by the Sec of State for War (I believe) pointed out that while it was true that there was an 'element' of self-preservation, the award of a VC was entirely appropriate.
I suspect that someone behind a desk had tried to say that the VC couldn't be awarded if the terms of the warrent were applied exactly, and the memo could be interpreted as whatever the 1944 equivalent of 'back in your box, sunshine' was.
I'm puzzled by the 1920 reference for a posthumous VC on the relevant site:
If you go to this about Temp. Lt Robert Wain of the Tank Corps, you see that the VC winner was most definitely killed in the act that won him the medal. The site seems to imply that, officially it was impossible to receive a posthumous VC, but this was ignored. Or does it?
And as for the Medal of Honor, wasn't a gentleman from the Poole area recently awarded one for rescuing a CIA chap from the prison uprising in Afghanistan (where John Walker Lind was captured)? Sure I saw something about it in the press.
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Woff1965, a Presidential Unit Citation has been awarded to the First Marine Expeditionary Force for its drive from Kuwait to Baghdad.
The Citation is also being awarded to the following British military units, noting that the "ACCEPTANCE, RETENTION AND DISPLAY OF THIS AWARD ARE FUNCTIONS OF BRITISH LAW AND REGULATION"
1ST (UK) ARMOURED DIVISION (-)(REIN)
7TH ARMORED BRIGADE
1ST BATTALION THE BLACK WATCH
1ST BATTALION THE ROYAL REGIMENT OF FUSILIERS
THE ROYAL SCOTS DRAGOON GUARDS
2D ROYAL TANK REGIMENT
3D REGIMENT ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
32 ENGINEER REGIMENT
16TH AIR ASSAULT BRIGADE
1ST BATTALION THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT
3D BATTALION THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT
1ST BATTALION THE ROYAL IRISH REGIMENT
7TH PARACHUTE REGIMENT ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
3D COMMANDO BRIGADE (-)
40 COMMANDO GROUP
42 COMMANDO GROUP
29 COMMANDO REGIMENT ROYAL ARTILLERY
The Citation is also being awarded to the following British military units, noting that the "ACCEPTANCE, RETENTION AND DISPLAY OF THIS AWARD ARE FUNCTIONS OF BRITISH LAW AND REGULATION"
1ST (UK) ARMOURED DIVISION (-)(REIN)
7TH ARMORED BRIGADE
1ST BATTALION THE BLACK WATCH
1ST BATTALION THE ROYAL REGIMENT OF FUSILIERS
THE ROYAL SCOTS DRAGOON GUARDS
2D ROYAL TANK REGIMENT
3D REGIMENT ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
32 ENGINEER REGIMENT
16TH AIR ASSAULT BRIGADE
1ST BATTALION THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT
3D BATTALION THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT
1ST BATTALION THE ROYAL IRISH REGIMENT
7TH PARACHUTE REGIMENT ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY
3D COMMANDO BRIGADE (-)
40 COMMANDO GROUP
42 COMMANDO GROUP
29 COMMANDO REGIMENT ROYAL ARTILLERY
