aswind

wow... I can ask my GP to give me a Viagra prescription...

If it dind't work at for colourvision... at least I would have some nice time ... ahahah.

BTW any (positve) news for CVDs for the future?

fireblade900

Ok on a more serious note.. ... I may be repeating myself, sorry, but please bare with me on this one..

I have just collected my Class 2, Irish JAA, with VFR restriction only .

(re: but I have a class1 FAA unrestricted, with letter from FAA exonarating me from any future colour tests, as I passed the Fanrs lantern test, all pointless in Ireland as not valid for JAA )

Now I have the following options, apply for Holms test in Dublin, or Gatwick.
But from reading these forums I noticed many others failing the Gatwick but passing other lantern tests in Sweden/Poland/Germany.

Now I'm worried and do not want to chance a fail . Can anyone tell me from previous experience when attended a Full Class1 medical and lantern test in another JAA member state, ie..Poland, then come back to Ireland or the UK.
DO the CAA or IAA accept A Class1 medical with lantern report from another JAA member ?

I have read full forum on the colourblind section, and have seen users attend medical centres in Sweden and Poland, not only much cheaper but also give you more time in assessing the lantern test.

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I think you'll find that where the countries are listed as having a reciprocal agreement the state concerned will have no choice but to accept the Class 1 medical from another member state and exchange it for one of its own.

That has happened in at least one case I'm aware of.

HTH

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aswind

You can go also to the Netherlands. I've been told they are very nice and they try to make you pass as much as they can. There are 3 AMEs, with 3 different 'secondary' tests (HW, Baynes, Nagel Anomaloscope), so check carefully!

Yes, they have to.

fireblade900

Excellent, thank you , for your updates.
Over and out.

FAA fit / JAR unfit

Thanks Blinkz and Jabout for the meaning of clinical grounds.. I hope that in the near future, as a norm, colour vision will only be tested once and never again at any medical examination in a pilot´s life, once passed any colour vision test.. Guy´s try not to take Viagra b4 any colour vision test, for the benefit of the medical examiner in front of you!!
Fireblade900.. go ahead, as JAR-FCL norms they have to accept any approved medical certificate (colour vision test included).. do the whole thing (1st class certificate) if you do pass a colour vision test anywhere!!, but be patient and vehement in the process of acceptance..
Good luck..

Blinkz

Are there many current pilots reading this thread who have managed to pass the lantern tests and gone on to have successful careers? If so could you give us some information as to whether being CVD is a major problem in the industry? Do airlines care that you do not have perfect colourvision? Some companies do their own medicals and again this may prove to be yet another hurdle to over come. What about medical questionaires after getting a job? Any info would be great.

JUZ777

I'd like to hear some response on the same..!! When a company has its own medical criteria?? where you hold a full class 1 and may or may not have gotten that job?

aswind

Yeah, it's an interesting question... I've asked something similar in the Flight Instructor forum about colour deficient FIs, but no one has replied me

It'd be nice to know if the visit with the airline is only a 'check' (like renewal done with an AME) or 'general' (like the initial)....

However I have some italian friends working for some airlines. I'll ask them asap.

A.

kherranz

Hi everyone!! I´m an spanish CDV private pilot...currently i have 200 flight hours and a restrictive JAA VFR class 2. Anybody knows what kind of lantern have Portugal or FRance?? Are easy to pass?? Here in Spain I never did the Beyne Lantern because the practioners are Military people so you can imagine how dificult will be to pass....Other question: Anybody knows if all the JAA members have to accept a restrictive class 1?? I know that UK accepts, but here in Spain or Portugal it´s no sure....thanks everybody!!!

Shunter

I had a full eye test about a year ago and failed 2 of the Ishihara plates. Same story when I went for my medical. Been down to Gatwick today and failed both the lanterns aswell. It didn't help that the beynes "white" is nothing of the kind!! Got 1 wrong on the Holmes Wright, but that's a big fat fail. Even the woman who tested me admitted that the tests were totally unrepresentative of a pilot's colour vision requirements and I've been referred to City University whose test they aim to get approved by JAA in the future.

I've just spent 2 hours reading this entire thread, and concluded that the colour vision testing employed by JAA is all a bit stupid and inconsistent. Whilst I appreciate everyone's vision is different, it would be pretty useful if from peoples' pooled experience some kind of JAR faq could be knocked up as I for one don't plan on letting the Career Annihilalation Authority stop me in my tracks!

Bendoverstewardess

The lovely Ishihara test hasn't been mentioned for a while - so I thought it was time to bring it up again! I am CVD and currently have a restricted Class 2 (and an unrestricted FAA class 1 - but thats not much use here!).

2 Questions:

1. Does anyone know where there is a Class 2 AME in the UK which uses the 24 plate version?

2. Does anyone know where there is a Class 1 AME in Europe which uses the 24 plate version?

I have been tested by both the 24 and 38 plate versions. 38 plate - forget it. 24 plate - I only seem to get one or two wrong. I am therefore thinking that if I get tested enough times - I'm bound to pass eventually. Yes - long shot, and expensive, but worth a go!

Any help appreciated

aswind

1) Well, from what i have understood, airline medical checks are (broadly speaking) almost similar to a renewal you coulld to with an AME.

But... in some airlines normal colour vision is a mandatory. I've been told that in Alitalia at the medical visit you are tested with Ishihara. if you fail... you'll lose the job opportunity... very sad (i don't know how many mistakes are allowed.... probabily 'only' 3 out 15)

this is what i know... i will let you know if i find out any news...

2) Bendoverstewardess, I've done the class one in gatwick and i think they have used the 24-plate version. However the optometrist showed me those plates randomly... however:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/teares/gktvc/vc...htm#Background

parsley

Please can someone advise me? The CAA failed me on the lantern test almost ten years ago. Therefore, I hold a second class medical on my PPL with flights by day only. Since then, I've gained my FAA CPL after a light gun test in the USA, along with a class one medical (I was given a waiver so I could fly at night which has recently been lifted).
I'm planning to go to Holland soon in the hope of gaining my JAR class one. I had noticed that some pilots who failed at Gatwick then went on to Holland and passed. Did they disclose the fact that they failed their initial medical?
When I go for the medical in Holland, must I tell them about my failed medical here in the UK, or should I say nothing? I am planning to put my USA info on the application form but it mentions that I must not withhold any relevant information.
Any pointers would be of great help. Many thanks.

glhcarl

In US Air Force basic training I failed the color blind test (I had a red/green deficency). They said I could not be a truck driver, but I could be an aircraft mechanic.

SeattlePilot

I have had nothing but bad luck in Turkey where I am trying to get a Class I medical. The AME wanted to do a LASIK immediately because of my eye sight, but when i showed him the JAR-FCL he backed off. Then he showed the Ishara plates which I failed..

Later on he sent me to an anamaloscope test which was weird to say the least. At first, i was told that i passed but then they repeated the test with a bit more challenging sequence. At this point I was having hard time concentrating on the machine.

Now my anamaloscope test results read:
Moreland Test - Passed
Rayleight Test - Failed

They found AQ: 3.17 - AQ:2.23 on the right eye and AQ:5.25 and AQ:3.17 on the left eye. Noone told me at the time what are the passing values for this test but I read something like 4.5 on the previous posts.

I have SODA in USA and that is like a "get out of jail free" card. The part that sucks is I already have a job offer flying for one of the leading operators in Turkey on A320 family. It will be such a heart break not being able to get this opportunity.

Shunter

The more thought I give it, the more ridiculous it is. The lantern tests are so unrepresentative of real-world pilot colour vision requirements it's almost beyond belief. I have no problem with PAPI lights, runway lights whatsoever, that's red... that's white... etc. I've landed a radio failed plane with the assistance of control tower torches and had had no difficulty seeing red from green. It's about time the CAA (and JAA in general) pulled their fingers out and dragged themselves into the 21st century.

Neoro

Hi guys!
Please anyone! Is there number of the each page on this Isihara Plates Book?

Also, does doctor check every plate and in order (from the first plate down to 24'th)?

Thank you!

Neoro

I went to LGW yesterday... and failed.
Very much disapointed

Isihara test was quite ok, they allowed about 5-6 sec for each plate. But i failed it, then i took two lantern tests.
Beynes Lantern Test - failed
Holmes Wright also failed, but i didn't quiet understand why there was ORANGE color, everywhere it says that only white, green and red are presented on this test...

Finally they said thatr i will receive my 1'st class certificate in 2 weeks time with Night Restriction + flying only inside UK...

Now i have a few questions.
Is it possible to find in UK anamalscope test, pass it and get Class 1 with out Night restrictions?

Is it possible to take complete US FAA 1'st Class including Tower-Signals Color test and then change it to JAA 1'st Class? I'm sure i'm able to pass this Tower test.

Thanx...

whitelabel

As far as I believe there is no Anomaloscope test in the UK. It is definitely an approved JAA colorvision test. This test is available in Maarssen (Utrecht) in the Netherlands.

A SODA is only possible in United states and is only FAA approved. It is not possible to transform an FAA medical to a JAA medical. Ecpeccialy when you passed by SODA.

You can Fly N-registered aircraft above non FAA ''soil'' with an FAA medical but you are not allowed to fly airplanes from countries that does not recognise FAA medical certificates.

Aviation is a strange thing. Get used to it.

Good luck