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Old 11th Jul 2003, 06:57
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Skyblueaviation?

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Read about it in the flight, and I might be interested. Has anybody got any exprerience with these people. Are there jobs at the and or just a bare rating. I couldn't find any price as well.

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Pehaps you should write to them or email them and find out their prices and a few more details? Just an idea...

P.S. Nobody will guarantee you a job after taking a type rating.
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Just talked to them, the price for the combined ATR 42/72 MCC/Typerating course is £13500 +vat.
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Old 14th Jul 2003, 20:42
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Wink

That's a really good price for a rating and an mcc, especially as it's on a popular type.
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Old 14th Jul 2003, 21:06
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Is it popular? - Don't see many of the low-costs (fastest growing sector) using these machines. Maybe a737/A320 might be more use!
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Think there was a post on this a little while ago re: pro's and con's and who operates this type, and I believe there's quite a few in the UK.

If it was me, and there was no guarantee of a job at the end but I still wanted to get a TR and take a chance, I'd go for this one, but thats just my opinion.

Good luck one and all..
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Old 14th Jul 2003, 22:50
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In its favour, it's a turboprop so if you have no/limited prior airline experience you're more likely to get a look in on jobs. It should be easier to handle performance-wise if your biggest prior experience is light twins.

On the downside there are many more 737 and A320 airframes on the UK register than ATRs.

It's horses for courses, because without a job offer it's just another gamble. But hell, wasn't getting our licences an expensive gamble in the first place?

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Old 15th Jul 2003, 00:21
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Very true fog. You pay your money you take your chances..
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Old 15th Jul 2003, 00:56
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Exclamation ATR Operators

There are only 2 ATR operators in the UK.

Aurigny just taken over from BA on a Gatwick route - no recruiting (all ex BA).

Air Wales have 2 ATR's, but they recruit people on a 'buy a rating' scheme.

Having said that, it is a type which looks like it will be moving onto the night freight scene, so maybe some chance there... but its days on pax ops are numbered...
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Old 15th Jul 2003, 02:09
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The is also Aer Arann over in Ireland and Air Contractors that operate ATR's. Not all the Aurigny ATR crew are ex-ba. I'm not ex-ba for one! All they wanted was a type rating. There are also many european countries that operated ATR's and plenty of aircraft are coming off the production line so it definately is not a dying aircraft type!
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Old 15th Jul 2003, 16:06
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I think that Titan also have a brace of them.
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I am led to believe that AIR CONTRACTORS may get a lot of these soon....on top of the few they have now.

Maybe this is what the deal is?
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I agree with Foggy you're more likely to get a job with a turbo prop rating and no hours on type than you are with a jet. In addition as Meeb says, its one of the better types to get. I've heard very good things about Skyblue, and I think you'll get very good training.

That said£13 500 + VAT !!!!! and no guaranteed job!

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Old 16th Jul 2003, 01:52
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Cool

Been pondering that meself, £13,500 +VAT (i.e., £16,000) is not bad, but doing that THEN looking for the job...

ATRs are quite popular elsewhere in Europe, guys! Also, on top of Aurigny (1), Titan (2) and Air Wales (2), Highland Airways have 2 I think - plus there has been some talk of Emerald looking to (eventually) replace their HS 748s with cargo-converted ATR 42-300s - with a growth option on the ATR 72. That would mean 10-12 aircraft. Just a thought...

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Just so people know: Air Contractors are now operating ATR42('s?) out of Dublin on freight work. Aer Arann have an ever increasing fleet of 42/72's operating in Ireland and several destinations in UK. They are also a recently approved JAR TRTO for that type so you could do worse than the greener shores! Think it would be cheaper over here too as there's no VAT and Sterling is good to change to Euro so you save even more! Good luck to all anyway,
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Old 16th Jul 2003, 18:54
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What is the likely timing for a type rating and how lond do you need?
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Old 19th Jul 2003, 02:41
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For goodness sake guys, get a grip.

All the info is on there web site, you know internet and all that, you only have to click of there banner on this blinking site; "how easy is that?"

If you want to know about operators/jobs, give 'em a ring; you know, telephone thing that goes dingerling.

Do you strap yourselves in at night or what!!!!!!!!!!
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The type rating takes about 4 weeks if you have an MCC certificate but longer if not. The ATR training center in Toulouse is also worth thinking about. I believe their prices are very similar.

Just to clear up a couple of points:

Highland Airways did have 1 ATR42-300 but they no longer operate any ATR's and I believe Aurigny have 2 ATR72's now.

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Old 20th Jul 2003, 16:57
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Thanks for your reply's y'all,

Do I have to pay the VAT as a non Brit, living outside Europe? I can handle the 13000, but 16000. The ATR operators have to pay me a pretty decent paycheck to justify that amount. I guess the company is legit. Thanks for your time.
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Old 20th Jul 2003, 18:27
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I'm pretty sure you will have to pay VAT - as a non-EU resident you can't reclaim it on services, only on goods exported.
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