Lufthansa Pilot Cadet Program
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Lufthansa Pilot Cadet Program
I have been trying to get in touch with Lufthansa for quite some time due to a small problem I have- I am an american- but despite this, I would still like to attend the Verkehrsfliegerschule in Bremen as part of their cadet program. I have been unable to get a work permit from the Consulate in NY because they say "I need an invitation" from lufthansa to come work for them- lufthansa needs a visa in order to give me an invitation... and the cycle continues. I speak fluent german, graduated from college as a german major and lived in germany from 20001-2002... I figured since half of the training was completed in the US anyway, there wouldn't be many problems (especially since the Cockpitsprache is english)... but as of yet I've only encountered red tape...
does anyone know of any "foreigners" successfully getting into the program? Any insight at all?
Its just funny, because Lufthansa constantly reports that it is need of good pilots... well... here I am!
-Brendan
does anyone know of any "foreigners" successfully getting into the program? Any insight at all?
Its just funny, because Lufthansa constantly reports that it is need of good pilots... well... here I am!
-Brendan
Hi, I'm a Brit...
I have been trying to get in touch with Delta Air Lines for quite some time due to a small problem I have- I have a UK passport, but my Uncle works in New York!- but despite this, I would still like to attend the Delta school in the USA as part of their cadet program. I have been unable to get a work permit from the Embassy in London.
I speak fluent English, graduated from college with English qualifications and speak American English too. Why shouldn't I be allowed to work in the USA???
I have been trying to get in touch with Delta Air Lines for quite some time due to a small problem I have- I have a UK passport, but my Uncle works in New York!- but despite this, I would still like to attend the Delta school in the USA as part of their cadet program. I have been unable to get a work permit from the Embassy in London.
I speak fluent English, graduated from college with English qualifications and speak American English too. Why shouldn't I be allowed to work in the USA???
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Read the international treaties on applicable employment laws. Quite clearly if a german is not allowed to work in the US then why should a US person be able to work in Germany.
I don't want this descending into an immigration debate but the rules are fairly clear.
Not sure if you are talking about just attending the college or trying to get a job with them. If it is the former then you are right - can't see the problem but if it is the latter then welcome to the world of equal opportunities and open borders!
Read the international treaties on applicable employment laws. Quite clearly if a german is not allowed to work in the US then why should a US person be able to work in Germany.
I don't want this descending into an immigration debate but the rules are fairly clear.
Not sure if you are talking about just attending the college or trying to get a job with them. If it is the former then you are right - can't see the problem but if it is the latter then welcome to the world of equal opportunities and open borders!
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yep it was the former... I have already been to college. I just have a dream to fly in Europe, since it seems much better than here in the US- the landscape changes quickly, you can visit many different countries in different amounts of time.
I was just wondering why not just give foreigners a chance to prove themselves, and then make a decision. If I found out that I wasn't able to hack the tests, then I could just go back to the US and do my snail's pace training. I just wish there were sponsorship programs in the US. It would be an advantage for companies to do train-to-hire programs, so they could make sure of their own quality training.
Anyhow, I don't care how- I just need to fly over the alps to the UK isles, to norway, it is all so beautiful. I doubt that doing a Buffalo-Johnstown route is gonna fit the bill after a while...
I was just wondering why not just give foreigners a chance to prove themselves, and then make a decision. If I found out that I wasn't able to hack the tests, then I could just go back to the US and do my snail's pace training. I just wish there were sponsorship programs in the US. It would be an advantage for companies to do train-to-hire programs, so they could make sure of their own quality training.
Anyhow, I don't care how- I just need to fly over the alps to the UK isles, to norway, it is all so beautiful. I doubt that doing a Buffalo-Johnstown route is gonna fit the bill after a while...
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I understand your frustration comrade but try this then:
Having the right to work and live in the EU,British passport, holding a second pilot's licence, a JAR licence gained in the UK,able speak/write fluent German and it was still impossible to get an interview or even a rejection letter, let alone a job on the continent.Why not give us a go(not speaking for my self)but for many fellow FATPL ppruners!
Oh, that is right you need a German ATPL. What is JAR then all about? A bit like the infant blueprint of the European constitution, that even the politicians themselves are unable to interpret.
Written by the French for the French and i don't mean to offend the French or anyone for that matter, but it's simple logic.
No matter what qualifications you have, the zeno's from the continent still have a lot of hurdles for us guys/gals in the UK let alone somebody who does not have the right to live there especially with today's cross-atlantic political climate.
My advice to you would be to spend a considerable time in the Arizona desert improving your tan, then the swim across to Europe and seek asylim. Works for thousands of illegals.
Stay where you are dude and enjoy the American freedom.
You can always visit those places you wish anyway with an international US carrier. To gain your qualifications in the US is a lot more simpler affair than in Europe.Fees, fees and more fees.
Best of luck but i am sure your day will come, just keep going.
The Don!
Having the right to work and live in the EU,British passport, holding a second pilot's licence, a JAR licence gained in the UK,able speak/write fluent German and it was still impossible to get an interview or even a rejection letter, let alone a job on the continent.Why not give us a go(not speaking for my self)but for many fellow FATPL ppruners!
Oh, that is right you need a German ATPL. What is JAR then all about? A bit like the infant blueprint of the European constitution, that even the politicians themselves are unable to interpret.
Written by the French for the French and i don't mean to offend the French or anyone for that matter, but it's simple logic.
No matter what qualifications you have, the zeno's from the continent still have a lot of hurdles for us guys/gals in the UK let alone somebody who does not have the right to live there especially with today's cross-atlantic political climate.
My advice to you would be to spend a considerable time in the Arizona desert improving your tan, then the swim across to Europe and seek asylim. Works for thousands of illegals.
Stay where you are dude and enjoy the American freedom.
You can always visit those places you wish anyway with an international US carrier. To gain your qualifications in the US is a lot more simpler affair than in Europe.Fees, fees and more fees.
Best of luck but i am sure your day will come, just keep going.
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yes the JAR lic is valid in Germany but ... what about this Long Range certificate, a German speciality, almost always required ? I might be wrong bit it looks to me like we may work in Germany in theory but it remains quite difficult to get there 
Ipsos,
funny you should say that. My impression as a German is that there are quite a few foreign pilots working in Germany. For example many Dutch pilots fly for Lufthansa and CityLine, many Swiss pilots for Lufhansa and Germanwings, recently many ex SAS pilots for Hapag Lloyd Express and so on. I know many peole who like me think that itīs much easier for a non German EU national to live and work in Germany than vice versa. I know of only very few German pilots who were able to get jobs in the Europe. Some in Italy, some in the UK. It seems almost impossible to get jobs in France or Spain for example without speaking the language not only fluently but perfect.
As far as the Lufthansa school is concerned: Yes, they say they are looking for pilots which is actually not true. About 93 to 97 percent of the applicants fail the five day selection process. Funny enough that number is the same for their sponsorship programm as well as for ready entry applicants holding all the required licences (fATPL). They just like to have a large pool of applicants to choose from. Currently, no one graduating is getting a cockpit job with Lufthansa. That is expected to change soon, though.
And, as has been said before: You need the right to live and work in the EU to apply for the program. Countries protecting their rights I guess. Not always nice for the individual but lets not forget: The US are very good at this, too!
funny you should say that. My impression as a German is that there are quite a few foreign pilots working in Germany. For example many Dutch pilots fly for Lufthansa and CityLine, many Swiss pilots for Lufhansa and Germanwings, recently many ex SAS pilots for Hapag Lloyd Express and so on. I know many peole who like me think that itīs much easier for a non German EU national to live and work in Germany than vice versa. I know of only very few German pilots who were able to get jobs in the Europe. Some in Italy, some in the UK. It seems almost impossible to get jobs in France or Spain for example without speaking the language not only fluently but perfect.
As far as the Lufthansa school is concerned: Yes, they say they are looking for pilots which is actually not true. About 93 to 97 percent of the applicants fail the five day selection process. Funny enough that number is the same for their sponsorship programm as well as for ready entry applicants holding all the required licences (fATPL). They just like to have a large pool of applicants to choose from. Currently, no one graduating is getting a cockpit job with Lufthansa. That is expected to change soon, though.
And, as has been said before: You need the right to live and work in the EU to apply for the program. Countries protecting their rights I guess. Not always nice for the individual but lets not forget: The US are very good at this, too!
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are you saying that it would be possible to fly in the UK? That would be just TOPS!
I would never deny the brits any of their landscape. I know it rains all the time (hahaha, all of my pics from Cork and Oxford have cloudy skies in the background... but still... maybe it has been my upbringing (as my exposure to airline stuff has only been with companies that were friendly enough to give me ideas about flying- crossairday, friendly speedbird pilots. The ones in the US pretty much keep to themselves, and get downright defensive when I say "now that was a nice derated T/O!" Maybe it is the friendly atmosphere I experience at the airports their (JFK only cares about the security requirements)... It just would seem wonderful to get myself into another culture.
Well, just my ranting again, but I wish it could be done. It is so easy to vacation in a country, but to live there... wow... thats something cool.
I would never deny the brits any of their landscape. I know it rains all the time (hahaha, all of my pics from Cork and Oxford have cloudy skies in the background... but still... maybe it has been my upbringing (as my exposure to airline stuff has only been with companies that were friendly enough to give me ideas about flying- crossairday, friendly speedbird pilots. The ones in the US pretty much keep to themselves, and get downright defensive when I say "now that was a nice derated T/O!" Maybe it is the friendly atmosphere I experience at the airports their (JFK only cares about the security requirements)... It just would seem wonderful to get myself into another culture.
Well, just my ranting again, but I wish it could be done. It is so easy to vacation in a country, but to live there... wow... thats something cool.
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733driver I didn't see the situation like that, I really found difficult to get a job in Germany, like in Spain, Italy or France ... it comes much easier in UK, Netherland, Denmark ... but it is my own experience ... maybe I should send again some CVs in Germany
